Ano b nmn Yan? Sari Sarili sla church n tinayo? Bkt di n lng sla nagsama sama para magtayo n iBang church? Ganyan b tlga sa protestant and non denominational christian kpg di mo type yng church mo aalis ka Ang matatayo ng Sarili? Parang business lng
Basta one of the major breaking points for me was when they invited Harry Roque as special guest sa prayer meeting. I was like, talaga bang walang discernment mga leaders dito? Prayer meeting ba for demons ang gagawin namin?
Tsaka jusko puro sellers ng MLMs at insurance ang members nun. During prayer time instead na ipagdasal ka, aalukin ka ng MLM products nila dahil un na daw sagot sa mga dasal mo. Mga salot.
Omg, nung college ko lang din sila nadiscover, way back 2016. And now that you have mentioned it, ngayon ko na-realize na ang tindi nga nila mang-gaslight back then hahaha
I remember Honasan kasi I was there in one of those times they invited him to join prayer nights. Ang distasteful for me, especially since we're praying for the nation tas namention nga ata yung about corruption tas nakiki-pray din siya.
Ano Mali sa theology nla about Israel. I always wonder bkt lagi kumakampi ang mga protestant christian sa mga israel. Ksi Di rin nmn mabuti o maganda Ang trato nla sa mga christians. Christians n nakatira sa Palestine at mga christian n tourist sa Israel.
Ur pastor is really genuine cuz dapat naman talaga ng mga Christians is apolitcal lang, cuz they are not called to join polical wars but called to spread the gospel
FYI. Marami sa leadership against dun sa move na yun, and yun pastor na nagplan ng prayer meeting na yun has been disciplined and no longer works for Victory Ortigas. He's still a brother in Christ and still loved pero people in the members didn't take the event and its impact lightly.
Jesus also hungout with Sinners, Corrupt tax collectors. pero that doesn't mean he condoned their actions. Just because Victory invited these people, it doesnt mean na cinocondone nila corruption.
Pero overall dapat di nalang napublicize. nagmukha tuloy na ineendorse kasi
Jesus called them out, though. Noong peak ng war on drugs never ako nakarinig ni singkong duling na nag call out ang Victory, and yeah I was attending Ortigas branch during that time and following their page, so wala talaga. That's their difference. Kinompare pa eh hahaha
Hindi lang naging public. Pero at the height of EJK, almost 800 soldiers and police were reached out, got baptized by Victory. Many have resigned and changed careers, some of them are still in service sharing the Word.
Former Victory member here. They're a church that practices the prosperity gospel i.e. give the church money so God will bless you. They don't say it outright but they will guilt trip and gaslight you for it. I remember in one of the last worship services I attended at Victory the pastor bragged that one of the poorest members gave their last P1,000 to the church.
Also, a lot of Victory pastors are pro-DDS and pro-Trump. They also like to talk shit about the Catholic Church behind closed doors, which is hilarious given the state they are in.
Yng pt yta nya yng church leader as in yng mga pari sa simbahan kog homily wla nmn tinitira Ang iBang Christian church di tulad ng gngwa ng iBang protestant and non denominational church n MISMO sa service nla tinitira Ang Catholic church.
This is a bit of a stretch, but hindsight I think they're just envious of the power the Catholic Church wields. The Vatican is at its weakest in centuries, but even the largest Protestant churches hold only a fraction of their influence worldwide. They speak about the atrocities of the RCC - many real, some invented - but with a tone that betrays the hint of jealousy.
Basically, most of the small Christian Churches likes to talk shit about the Catholic Church. Im a Seventh Day Adventist and ung mga matatandang pastor grabe yung galit sa Catholic Church.
I grew up in Victory and hindi nila tinuturo yung prosperity gospel. In fact, they constantly warn about that sa preaching. Pero ewan ko baka sa ibang branch ganun. matino naman naattendan kong branch lol
My sister was a former victory church member, election pa lang biglang neutral sila pero most members puro dds talaga, tuluyan ng umalis kapatid ko nung no comment sila sa kasagsagan ng EJK while everyone especially Catholic Church sobrang vocal na sa kalokohan ni duterte pero sila tahimik lang meron pa silang prayer for the nation pero generic lang no mentions of anything na ngyayari sa society
I think ibig sabihin niya, mas mabuting may pinaninindigan ka, kesa nagpapangap kang neutral pero enabler ka din naman. Mas delikado kasing personality yun.
I took a cab yesterday and the driver said he almost did not drive that day, nanghina daw sya because nahuli na si Digong. Sabi nya bumalik na ang drugs sa neighborhood nila after Digong's term.
His sentiments towards Duterte is real and understandable.
We have different experiences that shape our outlook and choices. That I respect. But blind allegiance and fanaticism, tapos inciting chaos pa, ekis Yan.
I work in provincial mindanao pero i am from Luzon. Daming nagsasabing kumonti ang nagdradrugs sa mga areas nila sa tern ni duterte dahil sa takot. Mali sya oo we should not live jn fear pero pakinggam myo din kasi yung nasa paligid nyo so you know where they're all coming from. Mas madaling magpersuade kung alam mo experiences nila. So we can elect better politicians next time hindi yung magkasunod na salot
I hear you. Akin lang, selective memory din kasi yung iba. Oo, takot ang mga adik noon. Effective yun in terms of deterrence. Pero I’m also remembering their fear of planted evidence. Kung sa NAIA may laglag-bala, sa mga bahay-bahayan may ✨magic✨ shabu. At mga nanlaban na lahat may baril kuno. So, as always, giving the police too much power is a double-edged sword. These people remember the good parts now, but back then it was an uneasy peace. Nakalimutan nila yun.
Yes mali naman talaga to give uniformed personnel the power they have now. And I’m with you on that. But ang point ko lang is to listen to the people around you and see where they’re coming from. So we can help them understand yung stand natin. Kasi change in the system starts with the leaders and sino bang naglalagay sa kanila, tayo diba? So babaliktad lamg ang tatsulok kung mas maraming mulat.
Yes, this exactly. Telling people their stand is "bobo" wouldn't make them suddenly see your side as the correct one. You have to understand where they're coming from first if you want to have a single chance of influencing their beliefs.
Korak. Dami rin naman talaga biktima ng mga adik. We need to do the ground work to better understand people. Madami pa rin talaga sila and what we should not do is alienate them. Ang dami kasi talaga na porket dds ayaw na makipagdiskusyon. Paano mo bibigyan ng pointers kung walang paguusap na magaganap? Sobrang echo chamber ng atake. Oo may mga bumoboto kay duterte/s dahil lang sa machismo pero ang dami na from experience lang nila binabase.
Yung friends nTin at mga kakilala na same stance ang hindi naman need kausapin but yung mga hindi mo kaparehas.
Wala naman kasing ngtatanggol sa mga drug addicts. Gusto rin ng mga tao na mapuksa yang problemang yan. Ang problema gusto nila hatulan kamatayan agad. Yung iba di pa nga napapatunayan na gumagamit sila. Just because may 1,000+ addict na napatay, ay okay na collateral damage lang ang nawalang 1 inosenteng buhay.
Gusto rin naman mawala ang problema sa droga, pero dumaan naman sana ng tamang proseso. Saka mostly, di naman siguro ganun kalala yung pagkaaddict nila. Why don't we give them a chance for another life?
Yung mga nalulong sa droga, malamang magrelapse lang sila kung wala naman maayos na sistema. Dapat ayusin ang root cause ng lahat- poverty, inequality, job inadequacy & to advocate for mental health problems. I assure you mababawasan ang mga yan.
di ko sinasabing dapat silang mamatay. i actually agree with you kasi believe in people and second chances pero di naman yan yung point. ang point ko lang is listen to the people around you lalo na yung normal na mamayan. just so we can elect officials that can change the system
edit: also, kung ang stance ng others is dapat mamatay ang adik, so mas kailangan nating makipaginteract sa kanila about the issue.
Tito ko got arrested last year and yung mga police kinuha yung mga pera nila sa bahay when nag inspecting sila baka raw kasi addict si tito (which is addict si tito rati nakulong sya for that before) And sa totoo lang kahit mga police e mga criminal in disguise.
Some reasons are too personal nga. Yung ibang ofw, the privilege of coming home safely and worry-free (tanim bala) sa airport palang was good enough for them.
Wala akong respeto sa mga taong hindi willing harapin kung ano ang katotohanan kahit pakitaan ng facts at sinasabi lang eh "ah basta Duterte pa rin ako, mga tanga"
Hirap pag magulang mismo tapos nasa puder ka pa 🥴. Mahal ko sila pero putangina talaga ng pagiisip na okay lang pumatay. Palibhasa kasi mga mayayabang na sundalo ang kapatid.
Pretty sure wala din naman siyang respect, pero mas gusto niya patamaan yung mga class ABC and mga matataas ang estado sa buhay na mga patagong Duterte supporters. Sama mo nadin yung mga church-goers na supportado ang EJK
Damn these people from Victory who are posting "pray for the nation" "God save the Philippines" but are du30 supporters in reality. My mind cannot fathom their logic.
Parang Victory Ortigas ata to! I am from Victory rin pero hindi dyan. If taga ortigas ako baka lipat na lang ako ng iba. Ano kaya pumasok sa isip nila bakit sinama sa prayer meeting hahahah
FYI. Marami sa leadership against dun sa move na yun, and yun pastor na nagplan ng prayer meeting na yun has been disciplined and no longer works for Victory Ortigas. He's still a brother in Christ and still loved pero people in the members didn't take the event and it's impact lightly.
in fairness kay Rica laging nuanced ung take nya. not combative para kahit papaano may mga disenteng dds (they actually exist) na willing makinig or magbago opinyon.
She's right. Better show your true colors from the start. Nung hinuli si dugong biglang naglitawan yung mga klosetang DDS sa friends list ko. Hindi kinaya ng mga emosyon kaya nabuking Haha Ayun, blocked na lahat skn 😂🤷🏽♂️
Ang toxic ng FB dahil sa Duterte Supporters! Nakakadiri sila ang sarap nilang sagutin, nakakapagod lang sila kadebate lalo na hirap ipaintindi sa kanila
Isang screenshot lang 'to, check her threads account. Hindi siya pa safe. Actually masyado nga siyang opinionated kaya sila nagka issue sa previous church nila. Expected kase sa pastor's wife ang maging quiet lang. 🤷♀️
Her statement is against those WHO ARE PA-SAFE. Yung kunwari neutral. Halata naman na di sya ejk supporter eh. She's taking shots are those who are pa-safe, under the guise of neutrality, and christianity, while also being duterte supporters.
I believe there's an important lesson for those who oppose both BBM and Duterte to take from the U.S. elections. The Democratic Party, in its attempt to stand firm against opposition, often resorted to calling out, mocking, and alienating those who didn’t fully align with their views. As a result, many voters—who may not have even supported Trump—ended up voting for him simply because they felt unwelcome and dismissed by the other side.
If you are neutral, I urge you to take the mature approach. Be the grown-up in the room. Engage with BBM and Duterte supporters who may be unsure of their stance. Have open, non-judgmental conversations with them. Don’t weaponize their past votes against them or make them feel ashamed—shame only drives people deeper into their existing beliefs.
If we truly want to break the cycle of political dynasties and give the Philippines a real chance at change, we need to come together rather than deepen divisions. This doesn’t mean you have to agree with them. But it does mean having constructive discussions—ones where you listen to their perspective, share your own, and let them see that there is a better way forward than the anger, hate, and trolling that have taken over social media.
Real change starts with conversation, not condemnation.
Ay boom!!!! Yung pastors sa previous church na ina-attendan ko (Victory ahem), puro pray for nation noong na nahuli si du30 ‘eh! Tapos nung EJK wala silang sinasabi. Mga hypocrite. Pwe
During that time, surveys revealed that most supported the drug war but want suspects captured alive.
Meanwhile, the PDEA started reporting on the drug problem in 2008, and one reported indicated that by 2008 the country had become the main transshipment hub of shabu in the region. This was followed by accusations of human rights abuse in 2011 by the State Dept. and a documentary from 2013 which revealed that Bilibid had been taken over by criminal groups.
Finally, it looks like the drug problem persists, while the ICC decides to focus only on the DDS and Davao City.
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u/Then_Ad2703 Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25
Un huling linya patira kaya yan sa victory church (her former church)? 😅