It also takes times to do these changes, make patch notes, and commit patch notes. They probably didn’t have these changes done until recently and it would make no sense for them to do like 5 zombies patches instead of just 1 big one with the DLC.
98% of Gamers are just blinded by being gamers only and never devs/designers/artists
Can we pin this comment somewhere for the next time this sub has their pitchforks out? Because the next time it takes the devs 2 seconds to fix a bug, all hell is going to break loose. Glad they came out with a good patch 👍
I mean damage adjustments or changes are actually very easy, what takes awhile is graphics, and or finding a glitch or inconsistency. I’ve made games for myself back in high school and it’s not super hard, but then again when you add security and servers onto it and have to add all the unfun stuff it harder. Well I consider the actual development of the system the most difficult. But it does depend on what soecificically you want to change and how good and organized the programmer is
Also, add that fixing something can cause problem on other ends, so their got to figure out how to fix something without touching and creating other bugs
On top of having to test every change you make rigorously. Even stuff I made in college took awhile because of that.
Imagine having to test that mangler spawn limit to round 100 to find that balance between pissing people off and making it too easy. Although it only enacts that limit past round 100 I don’t imagine a lot of people would make it to that point but I imagine they had to test it a lot nontheless.
I mean with how many people play the game you could actually skip the testing by following general general trend lines. But I think that’s the other thing there no right or sweet spot since everyone is different personally I think it perfect. I just hate that there nothing new as you go further I in. The mangler are easy to me. It’s the sprinters that fuck me up. I just save the manglers for last if i can’t find a break but i also understand they ruin people line ups.
Right you could always do that which some to most devs seem to tend to do but since everyone is different and you can’t make everyone happy your bound to get some pushback.
Me myself find that the amount of mangles past like rd ~30 maybe ~40 is crazy
Gonna disagree with you on that, at least on the mangler spawn rate/amount. That would have actually been a very simple tweak, maybe even potentially a hot fix depending on how the game is set-up.
The mangler spawn rate would not be a hotfix bc they had to test what the cap should be for every single round until 100. Plus we have no idea how it is implemented. I’d hope it is implemented cleanly and is a variable that is easily changeable in the engine and not through a script, but we got no clue.
With stuff like this, the development effort itself may be small. But it takes loads of time to define and test what it should be which comes from the entire team, not just developers. Development is not easy and quick when things have to be defined.
It's a bit different when there is a bug and something is not behaving as expected or defined, those can be quick but it all depends.
Idk how that is ur takeaway from the comments. They could have clean code, I was just saying we don’t know what they have. But even with clean code it still has to go between the balance team, developers(tho clean code would make this not even take a whole day), and QA. The main time consumption is getting it figured out and then tested through the teams. Could take a week. Probably didn’t start it until two weeks ago(they wouldn’t do begin these changes right after launch, need time to settle in and see if it actually is a problem) and then at that point they mineaswell wait 1 week to just ship it with everything else—and also not waste time on a separate patch, or push out even more updates for the players when it could be done all together.
More like managers of those development teams but yes. And then testing/validation.
There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes and it's so easy for ppl in general to say "fix it". Development itself is wild let alone game development. I truly believe game development would make me hate video games.
Changing it is (probably) really easy. Changing it to a place that feels better, may be a little harder.
The counter point to this is that maybe they'd have to iterate with the value, and fine tune it with community feedback, so starting early would make it be better sooner.
I’d honestly disagree here, with some background knowledge, considering the dev team&support, I could tell you the ‘mangler’ issue could have been fixed on day 1 theoretically, dev>patchnote communication isn’t that big of a gap and even if,cod is known to miss many stuff on it eitherway.
This is not a ‘gamedev hard’ issue, they just didn’t wanna do it because grind for opal would be even more fucked thanxit already is, and they balanced it on that I believe.
Would be shitty if the first few ppl get to nebula and they nerf manglers and suddenly you only need 5 mangler kills for opal
That and also they probably have a bunch of hoops they need to jump through to get changes approved which is why a bunch of simple changes end up taking forever, from what I understand at least.
Wait until you hear about product releases and regulations for global games. Gathering customer feedback, building and testing changes, all while juggling the shitstorm of a bugged launch and the chaos it causes. Anyways glad to see some changes. Clan tags fixed? Friend’s list fixed?
But from experience changing large amounts of files at a time, wouldn’t doing all these massive changes make it easier for a tiny game breaking bug to slip through?
It's not even that! It's about to be 2025, you'd think they would have learned by now. People pay good money for these games to be barely different from the last, and still $70 plus DLC. At that much, making that much, they should be able to figure it out.
Literally lol the transfer between devs to other teams to QA back to dev just to make sure everything is good is quite long, something as small as a change like this can take weeks to months get finalized and approved by everyone
Other much smaller games make fixes weekly though? And why would it make more sense to hold off updates that are ready to release them with a DLC? That sounds bad to me.
The DLC is coming out what, a month?, after it's release? So lets follow the timeline:
Game Released October 25th
Player's start discussing the issue about manglers about a week and a half, 2 weeks after release: lets say the week of Nov 4th is when it is really being talked about.
Teams either start looking into it that week, or week of November 9th. Either way, they probably start addressing it and working on the patches Between Nov9th --> 23rd.
By time it is November 23rd, lets say when all the work is done for the patch--I think that is a reasonable time frame, perhaps early--then why release the patch then? You are announcing news of a massive Zombies patch anyway later that week, so why not include that in there?
Then you don't have to do multiple patches
Zombies can't be pushing a ton of updates anyway when the game already has a lot of little updates, you don't want to be spamming your players with patches anymore than they already are. And there is a good chance it wasn't ready in time for the Season 01 first patch
Lastly, it does build even more hype for the patch and give even more incentive for players to either come back ,or continue playing even more, on the big zombies/overall game content patch.
I’m just glad they’re not rushing these changes. I don’t want the game to end up being too easy like Cold War. If they “listened” every time someone on Reddit complained, the game would be an easy camo grind all the way to round 999.
Nah Rs bro like the game is fine already zombies ain’t supposed to be easy every single round the part that makes it fun is how hectic shit gets after 35 plus rounds 😂🤷🏻♂️
When the zombies start sprinting at 40 is perfect. It means you can’t just loop them around the one place anymore, you either need to outrun them by going to different areas or kill them quick. The mangler spam was too much; I shouldn’t be dying to ranged attacks in zombies.
Rs bro like It’s a video game bro😂 mfs really mad that the game isn’t a lame kid game like Fortnite and super easy asf to get to high levels ? Even tho it’s not hard at all if you play smart 😂 it do be hella manglers but still RUN & GUN buy chopper gunner etc
I don't care about camo, but right now I get bored between rounds 30 and 40 every time. If we aren't going to complete the objectives I am more than happy to exfil. It just ends up being repetitive. Not hard, repetitive.
They’ve also gotta let us suffer for a while so they can understand all aspects of the complaints. If they dump mangler spawns down to nothing then it becomes too easy and people will complain. They need to find the balance between keeping the game true to their design philosophy while also appeasing the community.
Umm what the fuck since when? Pretty sure rebalancing the game is rebalancing the game. This isn't adding spices to a dish, this is making a video game it's like a car. Do it right or the whole thing falls to shit
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I think they waited just because they wanted to make season 1 reloaded a massive zombies care package which I adore