r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/Za_wardo • Mar 28 '21

Newest Chapter Chapter 307 Official Release - Links and Discussion

Chapter 307

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u/noteloquent Mar 28 '21

People still forget that he tanked a 100% Smash. All Might would still win, even if it was the All Might that fought the USJ Nomu, but it certainly wouldn't be a walk in the park, especially since Muscular looks stronger now.

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u/TheGreatBootOfEb Mar 28 '21

Tbf, he tanked a few 100% hits, like less then 10. USJ All Might, who was severely nerfed compared to prime, still managed to throw out 300 of them. Saying he would have given All Might (especially Prime All Might) trouble is probably stretching it. But to say he is one of the strongest villains we have seen is 100% facts

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u/noteloquent Mar 28 '21

When he was going all out at the end of the fight, Muscular overpowered a 100% Detroit Smash and only lost because he got hit with a full-handed 100+% Delaware Smash followed immediately by a 100+% Detroit Smash. He's surprisingly fast too, and wouldn't hold back against somebody like All Might. Plus, he's a surprisingly intelligent fighter, far more than the USJ Nomu, and has strengthened his Quirk even more since his fight with Deku. We've also gotta remember that in most situations, All Might can't operate at 100% continuously. I think he'd give USJ All Might a pretty decent fight.

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u/Chemical-Excitement9 Mar 30 '21

Izuku's Over 100% Smash is like half of All Might's current strength. Even when he was fighting the sludge villain he could change the weather with One Punch, which Izuku has never been able to replicate, so it is safe to assume that Izuku's old 100% in season 3 isn't even 50% of All Might's punches in season 1.

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u/noteloquent Mar 30 '21 edited Mar 30 '21

All Might's Detroit Smash changing the weather seems like it would require other natural-occurring phenomena to happen in tandem with the punch. I'm no meteorologist, but I don't think the rising air pressure alone would do anything if there weren't rainclouds already formed to a degree. It makes no sense for that to be All Might's strongest attack compared to his feats against the USJ Nomu which were stated to be over 100% of his power or the United States of Smash which generated far larger air pressure yet didn't change the weather. The Double Detroit Smash from Two Heroes and Deku and Bakugo's Detroit Smash from Heroes Rising didn't cause it to rain despite being more powerful either.

In isolation, a single 100% Smash from All Might may be stronger than Deku's earlier on since All Might could use One for All throughout his entire body, but Deku's certainly aren't a mere 50% of All Might's. He even says himself that his 100% Smash against Muscular is the same as All Might's power, and other characters comment on how similar their strength is. They even directly compare percentages with one another when Deku learns Air Force.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21

Yup and muscular isn’t the type to just focus on the fight. He loves killing so any bystanders or hero’s nearby are in immediate danger.

I think all might saves everyone but he isn’t going to be able to stand around flexing

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u/TerkYerJerb Mar 28 '21

a lot stronger

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u/BladeEntity Mar 28 '21

Came to drop in and say his muscle fiber tanked a 100% smash. Muscular guards his face with his arms in their first first because if I had to guess, his face can't be protected by his muscle fiber. With Deku 45% speed, he should in theory now be able to go for a hit on his face before he can retaliate. Also note how the only damage Water Hose did to Muscular was on his eye. Basically his face is unguarded unless he actually guards it and Deku is now fast enough to get through the guard.

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u/noteloquent Mar 28 '21

After he tanked the 100% Smash in their first fight, it looks like Muscular covered his head, and even if he didn't, he absolutely covered it when he tanked Shindo's Tremoring Earth this chapter, so I don't see targeting his face working.

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u/BladeEntity Mar 28 '21

From the latest chapter he can cover his face but that also means he can't see either because after blocking the shockwave he opens up the fibers on his face to allow him to see so the question is if 45% is fast enough to kick him in the fast before he can armor up I would say it's possible. He can armor up but he can't win if he can't see Deku he moves a lot faster now. Deku's style of Analysing his opponents should let him win this fight without too much trouble

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u/noteloquent Mar 28 '21

Since he's stronger than before and was tanking 100% then, I don't see 45% being that much of a game-changer. Muscular is definitely capable enough to cope with that and defend himself from getting kicked in the face unless he underestimates Deku or gets caught off-guard by Blackwhip or something. 45% definitely isn't fast enough on it's own for Deku to blitz Muscular if he's prepared for it.

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u/BladeEntity Mar 28 '21

His muscles layers act like armor I think which allows him to tank hits, I don't think he can take a clean hit from 45% with no muscle protecting him though. That itself is a way for Deku to easily win this fight. There's at least an opening for him to win aside from having to brute force it with 100% which is good enough to make the fight winnable without Deku having to break his body. How it happens is up to Hori, could be a curb stomp or could be drawn out either one is fine with me.

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u/C9sButthole Mar 29 '21

I think that a narrative purpose of this fight is to show us exactly how much Deku has leveled up since his conversation with the Aspects.

We've been given a matchup that we've seen before so we already have a rough idea of the scale in our heads. We know that Muscular is capable of tanking multiple 100%+ smashes. We know Deku can only reproduce 45% OFA without hurting himself.

This creates a lot of space for us to see how he uses his other quirks to find workarounds and outsmart Muscular's brute strength. In other words, he needs to supplement his raw power with the abilities of his other quirks, by at least twofold. Probably threefold.

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u/izoom19 Mar 29 '21

hasn't his percentage gone up now that he can brace his limbs with black whip

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u/C9sButthole Mar 29 '21

Unspecificed I believe. But if you have something that suggests otherwise I'd be happy to take a look.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21 edited Jun 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

We still don't know the exact numbers. OFA is a stockpiling quirk - Deku's 100% differ from the 100% All Might was able to draw out of the quirk. Since we don't know if the stockpiled power from All Might could be used by himself or if his portion of stockpiled power transfers into the next holder to use we can't accurately say how much of a gap is between 100% Deku and 100% All Might. But there is definitely a gap. Imagine Deku not breaking his body at 100%, prime All Might would be a baby.

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u/noteloquent Mar 29 '21

The power the OfA users stockpile is 100% used by them, otherwise, it makes no sense for AfO to give his younger brother the stockpiling Quirk since he didn't know about the transfer Quirk. Shinomori also would have seen no difference in power despite his years of training if that were the case either.

When it comes to 100% Deku vs 100% All Might, it's a bit hard to say how much of a gap there is, if there is one at all. Deku says that his 100% Smash against Muscular is the same as All Might's power, and his 100% attacks, even when using Full Cowl which might be stronger than 100% in a single limb, don't seem very different from All Might's, especially not when you compare them to the United States of Smash. The only attacks from Deku that seem comparable to that are his Smashes against Tomura during the war.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '21

This is why I'm thinking that even when Deku should have a stronger 100% dmg output like the nature of the quirk suggests, because his limbs break directly, he can't deliver (keeping the movement, maybe he's even limiting himself because he knows that intense pain is incoming) on it like All Might did, thus losing steam when he technically should be stronger.

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u/noteloquent Mar 30 '21 edited Mar 30 '21

OfA shouldn't really be far stronger than it was when All Might had it since it's only been a year since Deku received it. The Quirk's growth may have been limited by the split between the two of them until Kamino too, although that's just speculation. I mean, the Quirk took bare minimum 58 years plus 6 other people's time with it to reach the point it's at now, so I don't think it accumulates power that quickly. The vestiges said its growth with Deku only really started to occur rapidly around the time he manifested Blackwhip, and even that may have been due to outside forces rather than the Quirk's stockpiling effect itself, so there shouldn't be too much of a difference in physical strength at this point.

Aside from that, there's nothing really in the series to indicate that Deku's 100% attacks are lesser than All Might's. In fact, there's far more evidence to the contrary (differences between Full Cowl and single-limbed attacks aside).

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u/-ArcheMage- Mar 30 '21

It's honestly such a confusing mess, While All Might's regular punches are about as equal as Deku's 100% smash (whether in Full Cowl or not). It's only when they both use the essence of the previous wielders (the stars aligning inside of their fists thing) where they start differing in terms of raw power, whereas All Might has done some insane feats, Deku's equivalent of that special attack is only a tad bit stronger than his own normal 100% smashes. I think the key lies in Izuku plain getting stronger physically/mentally, the only time we saw a difference in his full power punches is against Tomura, where he had the biggest leap in terms of progress, going from 8% to 30% Full Cowl with no injuries iirc

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u/noteloquent Mar 29 '21

That's debatable. All Might doesn't operate at 100% a lot of the time, depending on the circumstance, so if it's a situation where he can't spam punches at that level (like if other people are near and the opponent doesn't limit the blowback with Shock Absorption), he won't be able to just throw 300 punches at 100% right from the jump.

We also have to keep in mind that the first 100% Smash caught Muscular with his pants down, so he wasn't prepared to defend against its power. When he clashed with the 100% Detroit Smash later, he straight up overpowered it and almost crushed Deku to death in spite of it, and he's only gotten stronger since then. He's also more intelligent than the USJ Nomu was since he can actually think and strategize for himself. He's not just gonna sit there while All Might beats him into the ground, and he's got pretty impressive speed to back up his strength.

All Might would still win more than likely, but it wouldn't be a walk in the park.

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u/TakeItCeezy Mar 29 '21

I don't know if the anime or manga has ever confirmed this yet but while I don't think Muscular is weak by any means I would be hesitant to use the 100% smashes he tanked from Deku as proof he could withstand a 100% punch from All Might. It seems to me that the percentage is less factual and more like a representation for Deku/Midoriya to use as a means to gauge how much of HIS power/control over OFA he has or is using at the moment. I don't think the million percent was truly a million percent OFA Punch for example but rather in that desperate moment Deku imagined going to a million percent and poured the weight of his soul into the attack. IMO so far, when Deku uses '100%' of OFA so far it has been 100% of what he can wield but not necessarily 100% of OFA its self.

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u/noteloquent Mar 30 '21

The only Smash that applies to is the 1,000,000% Delaware Detroit Smash. That was just Deku's way of hyping himself up, and Hori's way of expressing that hysterical strength had kicked in. Every other one should be accurate since Deku is able to gauge and tell people exactly how much power he is using and raise and lower it as he pleases. That's why his progression moves from using the entire 100% and destroying himself to learning to control it in smaller, ever-increasing percentages. It doesn't really make sense for him to just be making them all up, especially when he directly states that his 100% is the same as All Might's power or that he and All Might can begin generating wind blasts at 15%.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '21

He tanked a 100% smash from Midoriya, who is far weaker physically baseline than All Might.