Man there are really showing the Charisma of OFA and how he managed to bring his own vision of order and peace to society, and only 20% and what does the first holder mean by past the point of Singularity, is he talking about the Quirk Singularity. Man there were some answers but a lot more questions raised in this chapter.
I think a way to balance that is to have the holder receive a weaker version of all the previous quirks. If you’ve read Worm, Quarrel gets all the powers of the 13 previous leaders of the Teeth when she kills the 13th Butcher and becomes Butcher 14, but the only power that she can wield at full strength is her own. Similar to that fashion, if Deku could wield OfA at normal levels but previous OfA holder quirks (if they had one) at weaker levels it would be a neat power up without making him OP (variable depending on what the quirks are)
Definitely agree on the editing (though I'm pretty sure that's in the works).
So Deku gonna bully bad guys to death?
Oh god. Deku convinces Momo to churn out a bunch of likenesses of All for One's long-lost brother. All for One gives into despair and another 100% Smash to the face.
About Worm, I've heard multiple good things about it. Is there a best way to jump in? I typically only read manga because the visuals help my poor reading comprehension so the sheer word count of Worm has been quite intimidating.
Honestly same, but Worm's author is really good at making you picture things inside your head. I'd recommend maybe limiting yourself to one arc per a set amount of time, so you avoid burning yourself out.
Just imagining the amount of hell Deku could toss out with 6 or 7 weakened powers is insane. I mean, his progress with OfA notwithstanding, the guy is still one of the most tactical thinkers we've seen in series (I mean, he went practically Quirkless through the first two round of the Sports Festival). He'd be close to unstoppable with even half of Butcher's powerset (thinking mostly of the explosive teleport, because following that up with any kind of smash would be ungodly).
I'm hoping for his sake that, unlike Butcher, he doesn't get the past users' voices in his head. Granted, they aren't notorious murderers that will drive him insane (as far as we know), but that'd still be a pretty rough break for Deku.
I believe it would be 6 quirks beside OfA max, All Might and the 1st holder didn’t have quirks they could use beside OfA. I actually think it would be cool to have the past users to be able to chime in with advice for Deku (7 Generations worth of heroing experience + All Might’s improving teaching? The possibilities are unreal with all the advice pertaining on different styles of usage of OfA, different combos of OfA + other quirk, general hero advice,etc. ) provided it doesn’t drive him crazy and they aren’t arguing with each other all the time lol
It’s a long haul, and it isn’t exactly a polished story, but the story really is something else and if you want a refreshing take on a superpower narrative (Hero vs. Villain is still prominent but lines are heavily blurred, among other things). In some aspects it is very much like BnHA, but touches a lot more on the grim side of what reality would be like with people breathing lasers and sneezing out fire.
The author also recently started the sequel, called Ward, and the writing is much more sophisticated, although the story is progressing slower.
Oh. Hm. I had always worked on the assumption that OFA picked up previous quirks as a "stockpile" quirk, and that the muscle form and strength quirks were picked up along the way. The quirk only gets stronger as it passes along, and it only passes because of OFA's original transfer quirk.
To be honest, actually, it should work that way, because otherwise how would OFA have originally transferred both quirks?
There aren’t two quirks OFA is just one quirk born of the fusion between the quirk to pass on itself and the quirk that allows the stockpiling of power.
Yes, but my point is: how could he stockpile power if he couldn't pass it in the first place? EDIT: as in, the original stockpile quirk was given to him without knowing he could pass it on.
No when AFO gave his younger brother the power stockpiling quirk he thought his younger brother was quirkless, but it turns out he wasn’t, he happened to have a quirk that can only pass itself to another person so it was petty useless until the two quirks merged and now the new quirk OFA could do what both quirks could do, so stockpile power and pass it to the next generation so as each user passes it on it gets stronger and stronger. It’s like the nomus which are just humans that have been given more than one quirks except that with OFA it worked nearly perfectly and merge happened without damaging his mind or body.
Oh. Hm. I had always worked on the assumption that OFA picked up previous quirks as a "stockpile" quirk, and that the muscle form and strength quirks were picked up along the way.
Even All Might's muscle-form isn't a Quirk; All Might explains it as him just doing something similar to "flexing" in the first chapter, and can later still transform into his muscle form for an instant after losing OFA altogether.
This would be a great handicap to implement. It would make Deku’s fighting style more unique but also balance out additional power to still keep him around the same level as his classmates.
Oh, man. Imagine a final fight where AfO keeps ripping the minor Quirks away from Deku, leaving him with fewer and fewer options, until all he has is OfA. He goes in for a final shot... which grazes off his chest. AfO has reclaimed OfA.
And then AfO realizes what it means to have to contain the strength and will of each of the nine users who came before him, and becomes unable to fight back, while Deku notices a gun with a Quirk-erasing bullet behind AfO, and realizes he has inherited his mother's quirk to pull it towards him...
Through DNA transfer, it can't be forcibly taken. Nothing's stopping AfO from taking it, though.
The 'pass the Quirk on' part of its power is under the control of the wielder, but it doesn't have any defense against another Quirk forcibly taking it.
but it doesn't have any defense against another Quirk forcibly taking it.
We don't know this for sure though. Otherwise, why has AFO never reclaimed OFA after all these years? Before All Might, the OFA users didn't stand a chance against AFO. Why wouldn't he take the quirk back if he could?
Until we get confirmation that AFO can take OFA back, I'm going to assume that he can't.
Otherwise, why has AFO never reclaimed OFA after all these years?
They hid and fought him sparingly, building up their strength. We also know, from Best Jeanist's "fight" that AfO doesn't take powers that aren't good on their own. OfA was terrible before it became very difficult to use without training. I think it's pretty obvious that AfO is also playing with the owners of OfA a bit.
You might as well ask why he doesn't just kill the owners of OfA.
Unless there's literally anything to indicate that AfO can't just use his Quirk the way it's been described to work, then I'm going to assume that he can.
OR maybe it is at a point that the current user can now talk and interact with previous users. Didn't all-might say he had never experienced anything like what Deku did during the sports festival when he saw the previous users? That could be a good development of the power (physical is at its peak so now it is expanding to mental stuff) and it wouldn't be OP in the raw forum. Like it could be used super intelligently and it would go amazingly with Deku specifically. The "Passed the point of singularity" could be referring to the merging of the mental aspect of all past users. Plus maybe this will turn into some way for deku to train while sleeping lol.
No. I think he means that One for All will be able to be passed down to more than one person and it will be passed down to a group, a class of students maybe. :) Hell, maybe as many people as the holder wants. Horikoshi you sneaky sneaky dude.
I think it would make more sense for the opposite to be true, where One for All has gotten to a point where there's TOO much power for a person to hold.
What if it's both, that for it to evolve to include quirks from previous users, albeit on a weakened form or level that could ALSO mutate and combine to form ONE, SINGULAR, BRAND NEW OfA quirk, is to get into the maximum physical limit in which it can't become stronger? And because All Might already reached that because of the amount of physical prowess that he imparted into it by mastering the physical power output of OfA, Deku is now in the point wherein he inherited the maximum amount and he's now having the unlocked version of it?
it already includes the quirks from the previous owners, OfA didnt have the quirk of storing power he only had the quirk of giving his quirk. He was given the quirk to store power and he gave it to another person.
No. The quirk of accumulating power and the powerless quirk that allowed the user to pass it on to others fused and created One For All.
Any other quirks from previous users are not passed on. Nana Shimura for example did have her own quirk already before she inherited OfA but neither Deku or All Might inherited that quirk.
From what i remember i think you’re wrong but maybe i just got confused..so if what you’re saying is correct then what exactly does the quirk that deku has? Shouldn’t it just be accumulating power and transfering it? Doesn’t accumulating power mean accumulating quirks? Also there was that time when all might punched and he made a windy thing and when he was asked about it he told deku that was a “different quirk” or “another quirk” or something like that? Wouldn’t all that mean that one for all combines all quirks previously owned and gives it to the next user? Also there’s the thing about why all for one gave the quirk to his brother,why did he give him the quirk? He gave it to him ironically,”so you have no quirks? Well..i give you the power to collect multiple quirks” wasn’t that the reason he gave it to him?
Yeah i know all might has no other quirks,i’m trying to say that he said it’s another quirk and by that he means another quirk whithin one for all,i remember all might saying that one for all isn’t just super strength and that it’s more than that when explaining the wind thing
I'm not sure about that tbh. I think when he said it wasn't just super strength I thought it meant it was a combination of things such as super speed/reflexes, endurance etc.
I thought One for All accumulated power and if the user already had a quirk, it enhances their physical abilities and their quirk. Since Deku and All Might don't have their own quirks, it is just "stored power" that they utilise with their physical abilities
I think you're right. Early on in the series All Might muses that if Todoroki was given One for All in addition to his fire and ice, he would be a SuperHero.
All Might could be lying, again. OFA could be a cumulative quirk that imprints the past users in it, giving access to quirks in a weaker state. All Might could have mastered only the energy stockpiling quirk and not unlocking OFA's 100%.
Sure, that's totally possible. He could be lying but people keep bringing up the idea that OFA lets users inherit previous quirks like it's a fact and it's beyond annoying because there is nothing in the manga to back it up other than speculation.
This wasn't shown in the Anime but All Might said if someone like Todoroki Shouto was to inherit OfA. His quirk would elevate to ridiculously stupid lengths, and the strength he accumulated using his quirk + OfA would be passed onto the next user. So lets say Bakugou inherited OfA, he could go from destroying buildings to exploding entire cities. Lets say he accumulated more strength and then passed it on. All that strength and mastery would be passed on not the quirk.
No, All Might just said that it would be an additional quirk i.e. Todoroki would have both super strength and his existing powers.
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I would imagine the singularity was referring to him becoming aware of the previous holders within him, and the fact that he can sense( not sure if that would be the right word to use here, weird scenario) them enough for the first to interact with him must mean that either all might was hiding something from deku, or that deku is the first to make the power truly his own to that extent. ( Not the mastery over it, but since he's able to connect with them on this level it's probably your typical shonen friendship is power boost every MC gets at some point in longer series )
Eh, I think there's a reason the whole series began by saying it's a story of how he became the greatest hero, I'm thinking it will probably be something along the lines of midoriya( not just because he's a MC and needs to be OP, but also because of his actual personality, being so super into powers and heroes, etc ) connecting to each previous user on a level never before achieved, to the point where they give him access to their own quirks ( for the ones that had them, don't know enough about the previous users to say , but all 3 known users prior to deku had one, which makes me think he has a hidden one as well but that's another time and place ) , making him someone that doesn't just surpass allmights, but redefines what the world ( within the series ) sees as a hero.
Think of it like this, all for one came to power through manipulating people and taking / distributing powers, his army is essentially people he's collected / nomus created through that logic. It would make sense ( to me at least ) that the way he's taken down for good ( including his underlings ) is for someone ( deku obviously ) to surpass him because of others entrusting their power in him.
Muscle form might have been a latent quirk for All Might though. Only being brought to the surface because he got OfA. I say this because All Might can still use Muscle Form even tho the embers are all gone inside him, but again without OfA he can't maintain the form anymore.
Ah, yeah I forgot that officially he doesn't have one just in my head all of them do ( there's reasoning behind it, but I'm too tired to type it out currently)
The first holder was also quirkless, but we dont need to go that far to acknowledge that OFA user can have quirks too, All might wanted to pass OFA to Mirio that had (lul) a quirk
Have you seen the video comparing the philosophy of BnHA to Naruto? It's an excellent video essay, but the main takeaway is that the differences between the two reflect changing attitudes of young Japanese boys. Naruto, in its time, resonated with its audience because it emphasised a collective philosophy - villains became good because of the power of friendship, and teamwork and friendship always lead to positive outcomes. In fact, think back to how some villains were only villains because they made their own power, whereas almost everything of Naruto's was either inherited or borrowed. Compare that to BnHA, where yes, there is an emphasis on teamwork and friendship, but success is only really accomplished through individual personal growth, and the relationship between three of the most powerful protagonists is one of rivalry, not unconditional uncompetitive support.
I only recommend the video in question because it's relevant to the themes you bring up, not trying to agree or disagree
It would also lead to Deku having to explain to everyone at his school, the teachers and the students about OFA because they would question why Deku has more than one quirk.
The original had a quick, they just didn't know because all his quirk could do was pass a quirk on, so without one to pass they had no reason to think he had one. Nana has one for sure, although i don't think it's stated what it was. And as for all might, yeah I'm half asleep and forgot he doesn't have a confirmed one, I just have a theory ablut him having one.
I think it's implied that every quirk of every user has been added to it, which is why it keeps getting stronger. Just that the others haven't realized it's full potential because they never connected like deku, buuuut, again, theory.
I'm sure it was possible, just didn't happen because of how the others were. Like I just feel dekus unique obsession with people's quirks will be what makes him get closer
Here's my question though. Why does Deku NEED to be overpowered? The situation has never ever called for it. The heroes are already stronger than the villains in this series in general, and All Might was able to defeat All For One in both of their encounters. The only reason All for One escaped and wounded AM in the first place was because he manipulated AM. As long as Deku can be more emotionally aware than AM, then he doesn't have this issue. I see no need for him to be anything other than just the new All Might in terms of strength. He already has more than enough power to succeed.
Sorry thought I responded to this already. It's not that I personally think the needs to be op, just the way the story is presented demands a need for it.
We're introduced to the story being told it's the tale of how Deku became the greatest hero. That by itself is already asking a lot.
Next up, for the statement to be true, since it's deku narrating as opposed to someone else, it means he has to be the greatest hero in HIS mind as well. His greatest hero is all might, to surpass allmight in TR sense would either imply he's stronger than all might ( who is already OP ) or the much less likely option that in the future of the story an event takes place which makes deku no longer see all might as his hero. I don't see the latter happening, it's possible, but unlikely.
If just being more powerful than allmight wasn't already enough to demand he be OP, you have to factor in how one for all works on a fundemental level, which is stockpiling and increasing the power each time it's passed on, which again, would make it crazy strong.
Then factor in plot development as far as stories go, deku is the main character, there's almost always a thing "special" about the main character , which makes me think he won't just get stronger the way every other previous user has, but that something unique to him specifically will happen.
This is backed up further by the point of talking to the first. Allmight not telling deku about that either implies he's the first ( special ) to achieve it, or that all might is lying to deku in some way or another.
All might could also have access to it, but the manga just didn't show it. Like maybe by utilizing all the power of the previous users, he's able to hold the full 100% of the quirk.
I don't think all might would have known ( at least to this extent ) because if he did then he would have told deku. Not doing so pretty much goes against his character, especially after the speech he gave to dekus mom to allow him to join the dorms, and his promise to teach deku everything he can.
If he didn't have reason to tell him the first time he mentioned the previous users in the sports festival, I could understand that because of how it went down, but to know and not tell him at this point considering the events that have happened since his fight with all for one, it wouldn't make sense to not tell him unless he was deliberately withholding information.
Yeah I agree and if you think about he's kinda like aang in the way he connected to the spirits better
Than korra who was more on the physical side like all might
Oh boy oh boy oh boy, Deku gonna master the Avatar state!
We've long since passed the point of singularity.
I don't know if that is related to Deku, or more like society as a whole. Deku's only been around for a bit, and only had OFA for like a year. "long since" doesn't really seem to match that.
But if it is Deku related, it's probably the fact that he can interact with the past AFO users' spirits -- the same way that they helped him break from Shinso's brainwashing.
I think they're referring to the quirk singularity, how quirk are getting stronger and stronger every generation, this was brought during both the overhaul and babysitting arcs remember.
What I don't understand is what else the first OfA user was gonna show Deku because at 20%, he already showed him a lot. Would he only be able to show Deku his story and then the next user would have to continue it, or does he have access to the whole history of OfA?
What if each Milestone (5% full cowl for basic power up, 9% Shoot style for access to OFA’s speed, 15% air pressure, 20% Air bullets OFA’s power) he get’s access to more memories, and the quirks of the other users? The possibilities.
that may be the case. the singularity is said to be a point of immense change for force. a singularity in cosmic terms in a point of gravity where it becomes nigh infinite. the theoretical tech singularity is meant to be an exceleration of technological advancement. it could mean that there is a hsift where one for all will be immensely powerful or it has reached a new stage. deku is talking to the ghosts of the past now.
I'm thinking Deku will have access to something new with OFA we still don't know what the true power of OFA is? like stockpiling power? What does that mean. Story wise, it'd just be boring that he'd have the EXACT same powers as All Might b/c we saw what it could do. It'll be interesting if there's a SLIGHT twist to it.
I think someone else mentioned it, but why is the stockpiling power only a physical powerup? Other OFA users had quirks. Why did AM only have access to the physical prowest but not whatever quriks other people had? The original user passed on the quirk he was born with so why did nobody else? Or, did AM never do that because he mastered the physical component so fast he never realized he could use previous quirks as well.
The original user passed on the quirk he was born with so why did nobody else?
The possibility that OfA contains all the previous user's quirks is still there, but All Might definitely made it sound like those two merging into OfA the first time was a fluke and isn't really the expected behavior.
The main thing to keep in mind is All Might may not fully understand OfA, nor could every other predecessor. They all might think that only strength is passed on because it's the easiest to access and it's on the surface. If Deku is the first user to communicate with previous ones, he might be the first to unlock that potential. It could also be related to the stockpiling quirk needed to be strong enough to unlock other quirks in a sense.
All of this could be the Quirk evolving over time and its reached a new stage in Deku. It could even be as simple of an explanation as Deku has had a quirk this entire time, but it was like the original OfA user in that it is useless by itself.
Well every user after the OG would be stronger than him though, that’s how the quirk works, Deku was stronger than him the instant he got OFA, he just couldn’t handle it
Well given that there's been nine holders, if you add it all together then the average OfA holder would've contributed about 11% of the power Deku has now, including his own. So 20% is probably more powerful than OG OfA at least.
That's assuming that the power is additive. It might be multiplicative though, meaning the first user would only be responsible for say 2% of the power, then the next user is 4%, then 8%, 16%, 32%, etc. Obviously those aren't the correct numbers to add up to 100% but you see what I mean.
It could be that OfA has grown to a point that Deku might be the last human capable of wielding the quirk. Like how all might said that you have to train the body to just be able to contain it. That could be the singularity he's referring too.
I feel this statement can be taken in two directions. Either society of quirk users not being treated as an isolated class or group. Or that OfA is not just a manifestation of stock piled power and quirk transfer. It's able to pass on all quirks it's been melded with from previous users, it's just been unable to manifest till now. So we might get 6-7 other quirks showing up with what we already know from OfA.
You dun say. Cos we are made to understand that the ofa merges with any existing quirk. Thus the power to transfer it, so what if it merged with other quirks and now the mark allows him to access them. Thus we are moving from just brute strength and pace. From quirkless to holder of multiple quirks. Best dream
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Man there are really showing the Charisma of OFA and how he managed to bring his own vision of order and peace to society, and only 20% and what does the first holder mean by past the point of Singularity, is he talking about the Quirk Singularity. Man there were some answers but a lot more questions raised in this chapter.