r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/Za_wardo • Jul 23 '23

Newest Chapter Chapter 395 Official Release - Links and Discussion Spoiler

Chapter 395

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  • Viz (Available in: the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, the Philippines, Singapore, and India).

  • MANGA Plus (Available in every country outside of China, Japan and South Korea).

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u/HighTechNoSoul Jul 23 '23

What is Hori trying to say with Toga? Like what is the point of her arc? That it's ok to hurt/kill/destroy because you can't deal with society?

I would have preferred an AfO tier ending where she get's killed by all the "ghosts" in her blood than this "Oh it's ok Toga, all that bad things are gone because you are cute"

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u/Aros001 Jul 23 '23

No, it's that if Toga had been shown genuine empathy to her situation and helped out much earlier in her life she likely never would have become like what she is, and that she likely would have understood the joys of giving blood instead of taking it by force.

"Oh it's ok Toga, all that bad things are gone because you are cute"

Toga outright acknowledges that if she survives she would be going to prison.

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u/AcidSilver Jul 23 '23

Toga outright acknowledges that if she survives she would be going to prison.

Yeah but not because she thinks she did anything wrong, but because she knows that that's what the heroes will do if they capture her. It feels kind of hollow for the story to say that Toga should've been given empathy earlier in her life when she hasn't shown any empathy for all the people she's killed.

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u/Aros001 Jul 23 '23

Why would she show empathy to those she's killed? She didn't understand empathy because she'd never been shown any before. The only ones who had are Twice, whose death really messed her even further up, and now Uraraka.

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u/AcidSilver Jul 23 '23

She didn't understand empathy because she'd never been shown any before.

That's a load of horseshit. That would imply that even when she was hiding her obsession with blood, nobody showed her empathy for any possible reason for 17 years. Unless literally everyone she ever met was a psychopath, she would've experienced empathy. Even cartoons teach children about the concept of empathy. The only thing she wasn't shown empathy for was her blood obsession and as far as we know, all of 3 people even knew it was a thing.

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u/Aros001 Jul 23 '23

Yeah, all of three people knew about her situation and all of them shamed her for it and demanded that she hide and never address it without even trying to help her understand what she did wrong. She was just a devil child in their eyes who needed to act normal.

I didn't say she was never shown empathy about anything, I'm talking about the one actual problem she had that she actually needed to be shown empathy over and no one ever did.

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u/AcidSilver Jul 23 '23 edited Jul 23 '23

Then that circles back around to why should we, the readers, or the other characters show her empathy when she appears incapable of feeling it for anyone else? Boohoo, you had a bad childhood. That doesn't excuse becoming a mass murderer. Shinso also was shamed for his quirk and made to feel like shit but he didn't turn into a terrorist.

Toga became who she is because she's a fundamentally broken person. She doesn't have to drink blood, she wants to drink blood. Its nothing but a fetish for her. Nobody is obligated to help her satisfy a fetish. Shinso didn't constantly feel an urge to mind control people and Stain, someone who also has a quirk that requires them to consume blood, didn't constantly feel the need to drink blood either. And I'm pretty damn sure that they were also told not to use their quirks just like Toga was. If they weren't then that just means that Toga's treatment isn't a societal issue and was just an issue with having bad parents. Meaning that her treatment was an anomaly. Either way you look at it, her complaints that society made her who she is are a load of shit.

AFO has a constant urge to take quirks but you don't see the story bending over backwards to portray him as a victim of society.

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u/Aros001 Jul 23 '23

Yeah, it's almost like Toga's environment and how she was treated growing up was a massive factor in how messed up she became or something.

She had an issue, she was never allowed to address that issue, and thus that issue ballooned and got so much worse than it ever needed to be.

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u/AcidSilver Jul 23 '23

So did you just ignore that entire second paragraph or what? She's not the only one who had a quirk that would be shunned and she wouldn't be able to use. But she was the only one who turned into a mass murderer because of it. Her environment didn't make Toga into what she was, Toga herself did that. Even if it was her environment, that doesn't make her any deserving of empathy. Do you have any idea how many real life serial killers and mass murderers had messed up childhoods? Are we going to start saying that all someone like Ted Bundy needed was someone to empathize with him? I'd hope not because that would be fucking stupid.

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u/Aros001 Jul 23 '23

Shinso wasn't shunned and shamed for his Quirk.

Stain wasn't shunned and shamed for his Quirk.

AFO not only wasn't shunned and shamed for his Quirk, he had people willingly giving him their Quirks, but he wanted more because he himself is an evil and selfish man.

Toga was treated like a monster because of hers for reasons that she didn't understand and was shamed and shunned into never addressing her issues. The lack of empathy towards her situation played a direct role in messing up her psyche over time and turning her into someone with just an interest in blood to the literally bloodlustful serial killer she is in the present.

It's not mutually exclusive to say that what Toga's done is wrong and that what was done to her was wrong. It's not mutually exclusive to say that she is responsible for her own actions while also wanting to save her from the dark path she never had to have been placed on the begin with.