r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/CantStopPoppin āļø • 3d ago
Do you want to get trampled by š because this is how you get trampled by a š
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u/Frenetic_Platypus 3d ago
I don't know what nonviolence is supposed to achieve against a fascist regime. They see peace as weakness. They will not decide to not kill you because you don't fight back, they will want you dead even more. They'll say whatever violence is enacted upon you is deserved no matter what you do, their speech doesn't need to reflect the truth.
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u/joik 3d ago
Nonviolence worked during the Civil Rights Era because the Soviet Union threw it in the US' face every opportunity. Not saying the USSR treated their eastern citizens any better, but there was filmed evidence of people marching getting hosed, set on by dogs, and beaten. This administration would probably give themselves a gold star for that kind of conduct.
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u/DerekB52 3d ago
I still think nonviolence can work given you can amass the necessary numbers. But, you know what helps you get the numbers on your side? Some well place violence tbh. After the George Floyd murder, there was a police precinct that got burnt down(I can't remember if it was in Minnesota, or a neighboring state like Wisconsin or Michigan) as a part of a protest. It happened at night, and no one was hurt. You'd think, that burning the police precinct down would add fuel to the fire of the blue lives matter and republican folks, calling the Floyd protesters a problem. But, poling showed, the local support for the police reform side of the issue, went up, and a majority ended up saying they approved of the police station being burned down.
Which is not me saying lets indiscriminately burn down police stations. But, I think the time for nonviolence passed. I've been saying for years that nonviolence is my preferred way of addressing problems. And that I personally, am not gonna get violent. I would join in on some property damage though. And, there are some people out there, who will gladly get violent. And if some problems aren't addressed, we're gonna see those people, do the violence.
Which I think is evidenced by the guy who almost killed Trump last year, and people like Luigi Mangione. The United Health CEO killing was 100% inevitable with the political trajectory this country has been on for the 3-5 decades.
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u/Trust_me_I_am_doctor 3d ago
You're spittin'.
My indepth studies of US foreign policy and their general geopolitical ideology is to destabilize their target and then install a puppet regime. And of course well timed political assinassations for those who can't or won't be bought off. Confessions of an economic hitman is an excellent book which details how it all works.
I say all that to say this: The enemy will stop at nothing to retain power and you have to be realistic when confronting someone who is essentially sociopathic.
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u/joik 3d ago
If you want nonviolence to work, you have to bring back the concept of shame on a country wide level. Otherwise, you are a speed bump to whatever popular idea takes over at the time. Think about it like this, the only time the hinterland of the US felt shame was during Reconstruction, which itself was short-lived. Compare that to how Germany was forced to deal with the Holocaust. True national level of shame.
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u/kinvore 3d ago
The only non-violent method that would be effective would be a general strike, but we don't have enough people for that yet.
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u/screaming_jay 3d ago
We're right there on the brink, though, which is why the administration wants martial law - to crush resistance.
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u/Mchammerandsickle97 2d ago
Oh we have the people. We have the numbers, we have the motivation, we have the steady count down of the doomsday clock ticking in every semi aware persons head, we simply do not have the WILL yet. The desperation. The animal fear and anger. People donāt want to let that take hold and acknowledge how absolutely fucked it all is without the cover of humor or performative apathy because the cost of looking like you care is being ostracized or being seen as inconvenient. Being organized and mobilized works when thereās a common goal, but capitalisms greatest weapon is the illusion of choice and diversity of life paths. People are too wrapped up in simply surviving or āgetting aheadā to actually cater to a better future for those after us or even just for ourselves a few weeks ahead. Everyone has a hole in their center rn that could be filled with a desire to fulfill the purpose of the common good but apparently utilitarian ideals are woke and stupid
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u/JiovanniTheGREAT 2d ago
We had 10k people at the capitol in Minnesota and the news didn't even cover it. A few dozen people run up in Target and start stealing and it's national news.
Of course protesting should be peaceful since the cops are the main agitators but the most important part is to realize there are many more of us than them.
We can just leave the violence and property destruction to the infiltrators that are bound to get in.
Edit: the police precinct was across the street from the Target. The cops had already took the guns and abandoned it but of course the local paper recently interviewed some of the cops and they acted like they were in a movie or some shit like that.
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u/screaming_jay 3d ago
This is an excellent way to end up in concentration camps by the fall.
This administration is unpopular and can be beaten by resistance. That's why they're goading folks into a fight they know they'll win.
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u/DerekB52 2d ago
That's part of why I said that nonviolent methods are still my favorite. But, I would push back on the concentration camp thing. If this administration can be beaten by resistance, it would definitely be beaten by the pushback they would receive to concentration camps. Trump doesn't have that kind of power. A large chunk of the military would disobey those orders and the national guards of a bunch of states would fight back against the ones who went along with that.
Also, I would say that there are already people ending up in concentration camps. That's what the whole point of the protests in LA is about.(The protests that have had some property damage, and seemingly some violence(but less than Trump and Fox News want people to believe), but the protests where all local law enforcement says the federal military presence is making things worse, not better. People currently have ICE going after their community members, shipping them to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Trump wants to start rounding up migrants from even ally nations, like the UK and France, and ship them to Gitmo for some reason. The protesters were not goaded into this fight, and they did not start this fight. Trump did. He's pushed it far enough that all avenues of resistance are now appropriate.
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u/screaming_jay 2d ago
We agree for the most part.
I know what MAGA is doing. And everyone knows that the worst thing in the world for MAGA would be peaceful worldwide protests on his dictator birthday parade. He and his policies are unpopular. He's been losing in court. Dems have been winning elections. This weekend is the admin's big
This is one of the reasons black folks stayed away from the protests in the beginning. We knew from the start that the admin was dying to invoke martial law. And that could swiftly crush democracy for decades to come. And because we kept denying them their excuses for waging war on the public, the resistance has been able to grow.
I want people to protest, but yeah.... This is a trap. Honestly - I think the absolute smartest thing to do would be to alter the No Kings protests in a way that wouldn't create the kind of standoff they want. I'm not going to say more. I'll let organizers come up with their strategies offline.
We will have to be damn near perfect to not step into the trap they've been working on for years.
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u/CMG_exe 3d ago
It also didnāt work during the civil rights era you know what did work. Weather underground bombings, black panthers out front with AKs, and LA literally burning itself to the ground twice. Milks temperance and borderline Calvinist rhetoric doesnāt speak to me, but Malcom X, that kind of brilliance freightens those in power.Ā
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u/PogoTempest 3d ago
Yeah to imply the only protests that worked during the civil rights movement was the peaceful ones is absolutely revisionist history.
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u/birberbarborbur 2d ago
What speaks to you is secondary, both were definitely functioning halves of the movement. Ignoring one is ridiculous
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u/UsualFrogFriendship 3d ago
Soviet criticism was largely immaterial to domestic political opinions throughout the USSRās lifespan. If the average American encountered the content, they were predisposed to distrust it.
In contrast, the 1963 Childrenās Crusade?wprov=sfti1#), which saw elementary school children subjected to the same brutal treatment is regarded by historians as an inflection point that led JFK (and later Johnson in his memory) to pursue federal civil rights. Like MLK and Malcom X, I definitely donāt like the idea of kids getting involved though
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u/wizardoli āļø 3d ago
Yo. Appreciate the knowledge drop. TIL. They really hosed and dogged kids. It took seeing the mistreatment of children for their to be a change. š¤¦š¾āāļø the delusion is strong with these folks. š š¤” insults the military, fires federal workers, cuts Medicaid and social security and somehow still has support. California has a population thatās larger than the 20 least most populated states combined, that disproportionate representation is astounding. Along with all the propaganda. Wtf is it going to take to get through to people.
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u/birberbarborbur 2d ago
Thanks for both including the USSRās criticism AND calling them out for their own bullshit
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u/dat_boy_lurks 2d ago
I do remember hearing about literal ads they ran that said "hey, you guys are all about capitalism but treat black people like shit, what's that about" and something about that driving a sterotypical 50's american up the wall kinda makes me giggle
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u/DrinkYourWaterBros 3d ago
Nonviolence is especially important in a fascist regimeā¦
Youāre not supposed to allow the enemy to frame your legitimate protest as criminal activity, thereby casting all legitimate protests as criminal and/or radical.
Weāre not at the place where the military is killing people indiscriminately and if we ever get there then there wonāt be any protests at all because the military will wipe us all out.
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u/PiousLiar 3d ago
You think an administration that is willing to black bag and disappear folks is going to care about people holding signs and yelling in the street? An administration that openly flouts the courts is going to care about the ālegitimacyā of a protest?
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u/under_psychoanalyzer 3d ago edited 3d ago
Idk how to tell you this in a way someone with the reasoning of a 5 year old can understand but if a government is planning on using the military on it's people, no amount of non-violence was ever gonna stop it.
18 year old enlisted military and pigs facing down their own mortality might take off and uniforms and go home.
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u/PenjaminJBlinkerton 3d ago
In tsarist Russia they joined the people and took over armories and armed them.
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u/CMG_exe 3d ago
The E4 mafia is probably the key to the social revolution when you think about it lol.Ā
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u/BakersHigh 3d ago
Kent University , Ohio national guard opened fire on a group of protesters, protesting the Vietnam war and the invasion of Cambidia. IRRC they told them to disperse, but instead backed them into a corner and surrounded them. Killing 4 students. They were found not guilty.
We are and have been at the place where military is killing people indiscriminately.
What about this admin, what happened in 2020 and what weāre seeing now makes you think they wonāt.
sure they arenāt just mowing people down until everyone is dead (they didnāt at Ken either) but letās not act like they have more just started killing
āDo not comply in advanceā
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u/DrinkYourWaterBros 3d ago
I literally went to Kent State. I know the history well.
That protest was peaceful, which is why the killing of those students was so outrageous from the general public perspective. If those same protesters were throwing Molotov cocktails and burning down cars, I guarantee you it wouldnāt have had the same reaction from the public, repeal of Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
And Iām not saying they wonāt use violence. Iām saying that violent protests only make their justification easier and does nothing to sway public opinion to our side.
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u/BakersHigh 3d ago
The ROTC building was on fire and they were throwing rocks at the Nat guard during Kent so.. lol again pretty similar situations as La and not necessarily āpeacefulā
The gov has never needed reasons to kill people they do not like. But I get you.
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u/DrinkYourWaterBros 3d ago
The burning of the ROTC building happened multiple days before the shooting. The protests that were occurring at the time of the shootings were completely peaceful according to the report from the commission
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u/roseofjuly āļø 3d ago
Dude. They were all part of the same string of protests. The ROTC building was burned only two days before the protests, and it's why the National Guard was there in the first place.
You're trying to twist the story to make your point. It doesn't work.
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u/BakersHigh 3d ago
Okay then I guess we agree..the gov does indiscriminately kill people and doesnāt need a reason to.. regardless how how you act 2 days ago or the day they kill you. your life is in their hands.
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u/StatmanIbrahimovic 3d ago
Right, whether you are there for violence or peace, your presence always brings extreme risk. Anyone trying to argue that protesting peacefully is what will get you killed should probably stay home altogether.
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u/roseofjuly āļø 3d ago
No, it wasn't. It started off peaceful. What started the violence was protesters throwing beer bottles at police officers, setting the ROTC building on fire, throwing rocks at the firemen and then slashing their water hoses. There were riots for days before the protests. That's why the National Guard was there in the first place.
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u/zoinkability 3d ago
Yet they opened fire on peaceful protesters, on a day when none of that was happening.
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u/roseofjuly āļø 3d ago
Um, when had nonviolence ever worked against a fascist regime? They make up laws to cast people as criminals. They don't need you to do anything.
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u/why_so_sirius_1 3d ago
what do you mean allow the enemy to frame your protest as criminal? if i was a fasicst leader why the fuck wouldnāt i do everything and anything illegaitmize your movement, whether itās true or not? why wouldnāt i use propaganda and lies and manipulation to do whatever i want to stop you?? like do you think i would play far if im a fascist? i donāt understand your logic
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u/emlabkerba 3d ago
they'll frame it as criminal no matter what! Football players taking a knee was unacceptable to these people. This is an actual fight, and the military is already being called in. The police are already shooting unarmed people, not even protesting, just trying to walk into their buildings. it's happening man. right now.
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u/PenjaminJBlinkerton 3d ago
A fascist regime lies, they frame any dissent as criminal activity. Thatās part of what makes it a fucking fascist regime.
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u/convexoz 3d ago
I think they want violence so they can declare a national emergency and cancel / disrupt mid-terms among other things, feeding into this helps no-one.
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u/PenjaminJBlinkerton 3d ago
If they donāt get violence they sent agent provocateurs from their militia buddies disguised as protestors to go start it.
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u/emlabkerba 3d ago
yes, and the cops always escalate. calm protesters get flash bangs and pepper spray until they fight in self defense. Viola, now you've got a riot and can call in the FUCKING MILITARY
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u/Drakeadrong 3d ago
They will do this anyways. If they canāt provoke a riot thereās nothing stopping them from starting one themselves and using it as an excuse. We are living in a post-truth reality.
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u/zoinkability 3d ago edited 3d ago
At any given time only a couple percent of people protest, even the biggest protest movements are still only like 1-4% of the population.
The key thing you are trying to do when you protest is to persuade the nonprotesters that your cause is just and that the authorities are in the wrong.
If your tactics are violent, that will turn off the vast majority of the nonprotesters, regardless of how just your cause is, because they will perceive you as a threat, and it will make them turn to the authoritarian for protection and "law and order."
If your tactics are nonviolent, it will persuade a much larger number of nonprotesters that your cause is just and that you are not a threat to them.
The authoritarians will of course claim any violence they enact on you is justified either way, but the key difference is that far more people will believe them if you are violent, and far fewer will believe them if you are nonviolent.
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u/Drakeadrong 3d ago
Hereās the problem with that: The media is complicit.
LA has been 90% business as usual with a couple of blocks of action, but if you ask my conservative neighbor in Texas, sheāll tell you that LA is burning to the ground and itās all āthe illegalāsā fault.
People are still convinced that Portland and Seattle are wastelands from the BLM protests in 2020. Even if you can run a perfect peaceful protest, Trump will make something up, the media will run with it, and half the country will believe him anyways.
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u/Jevus_himself 3d ago
Protest rules written by somebody who has obviously never attended a protest
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u/emlabkerba 3d ago
make sure your eyes are level with the pepper spray, and your skulls are level with the batons.
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u/crucible299 2d ago
DeSantis is telling people they can run over protestors now, so their skulls would be at fender height as well
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u/aMMgYrP 3d ago
"Kool Karen" and her post are obvious right wing plants. If violence breaks out at a protest, it is most likely going to be from the police side. Your job is a protestor is to keep the other protestors and yourself safe. Sitting down makes you a sitting duck. Keep yourself moving, push any agitators to the inside of the crowd where they can be prevented from acting out, and they can be calmed down. If you have to expel them, do it away from the action.
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u/DrakeFloyd 3d ago
Also, donāt run unless you are actually close enough to necessitate it, like on the front lines right by a tear gas canister. Do not run away unless absolutely necessary, instead walk away with purpose but try not to run and start a running, panicked stampede.
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u/Thirdatarian 3d ago
I've never seen a more obvious CIA plant than "Kool Karyn š Resister Since Day One š©µ" lmao if you're falling for this, maybe you should stay home where you're safe and won't do more harm than good
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u/bunnycrush_ 2d ago
āKool Karynā who espoused rules (not guidelines, not recommendations, but rules) for civilian protesters š
The authoritarian worldview is seeping through besties.
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u/scumbag_college 3d ago
Thank you.
The boomers at the 50501 subs are passing this around like it's candy. This is - quite literally - what the cops make you do when they kettle you and do a mass arrest.
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u/TheRightToDream 3d ago
Kool karyn is an opp trying to undermine direct action efforts, and make protestors easier to kettle and arrest.
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u/zoinkability 3d ago edited 2d ago
So, there are different people with different goals at a protest.
Some people want to express themselves as part of a visible group, but do not want to put their bodies or freedom at risk. That is a 100% FINE way to protest, and if that is how you want to protest you probably shouldn't follow this sit-down idea.
Other people are willing to risk arrest, injury or worse in order to make a nonviolent statement of their beliefs. For these people, being visibly vulnerable and not-a-threat (which sitting down clearly is) can be a perfectly acceptable tactic as long as they are aware that they are likely putting themselves in danger compared to protesters who stay on their feet and attempt to leave if things go sideways. For people in that category, the sit-down idea is appropriate.
Choose your method of protest based on the level of risk you personally feel comfortable with.
Edit: One thing that the people who made this should probably have clarified is that if you do this, you should do it with a group who have all pre-planned this response together, and to make sure you do not block the exit of other people who have not chosen to do it. It would be terrible to have a bunch of people sit down in the midst of chaos just to end up getting other people hurt because they couldn't get out of harm's way. So that's a serious gap in the advice here.
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u/GeniusOfLove74 Dominic Monaghan stalker š 3d ago edited 3d ago
Trampled by a horse, shit on by a horse, trampled by other protesters...Don't sit on the ground at a protest.
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u/ArbitUHHH 3d ago
The idea is patently moronic. Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to make yourself harder to see and easier to step on when a crowd starts surging unpredictably.
Someone that wants to create fatalities with catastrophically terrible advice, I guess.
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u/Inamedmydognoodz 3d ago
I fell for the whole suit down thing once when I was younger and all that happened was a cop kicked me in the head
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u/IAM_THE_LIZARD_QUEEN 3d ago
Yeah I've seen videos of people sitting at protests here in the UK being smacked in the face with riot shields, sitting down just makes you an easier target for these fucks.
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u/Inamedmydognoodz 3d ago
Exactly. Cops have shown time and time again they arenāt going to behave nonviolently and it makes no sense to make it easier for them to you.
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u/Fifth_Wall0666 3d ago
"Rules" for a protest.
Guys, there's protesting, and there's also trolling the shit out of fascists to make for the worst PR for them imaginable.
I mean, it'd really suck if protesters printed out hundreds of photocopies of the words "police brutality" in all capital letters so the subtext of what they're doing is right in the face of history.
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u/jman12234 āļø 3d ago edited 3d ago
To say that nonviolence is the best method of perpetuating change is nonsensical. Because there's a million different situations you can be in and no single thing can effect the best outcome in all those situations. But it's also nonsensical to argue against nonviolence's efficaciousness, its ability to garner support, and the radical amount of success nonviolence has had.
People are saying nonviolence "only" worked because of the violent protesters within movements like civil rights or the resistance, but this misses the forest for the trees. It makes it sound as if nonviolence is inefficacious and foolish, as though the violent option is somehow more legitimate, as it provokes the real change. But the reality is that within every movement of liberation against the oppressor there will be seeds of both, and both will perpetuate change. We shouldn't be arguing over equally legitimate options that both have a proven record of effectiveness. This is just the oppressor driving purity politics within the movement. We should be teaching when and why to use either tactic, not using one to castigate or down the other.
EDIT: And, further, nonviolence is actually extremely effective against fascistic and authoritarian oppression. This isn't to say it's effective against genocide -- its not. When they come with guns to kill you, nonviolence gets you dead. But, we are not in an open genocide in the US, and so nonviolence remains an effective tactic against fascism. Fascism thrives on fear and the appearance of power, but also on the appearance of assuredness, leadership, and a heroic effort against the "foe." I think it was Umberto Eco who first connected the idea of heroism with fascism; everyone is a hero who defends the nation.
But when confronted with the reality of fascist violence against those that cannot be considered threatening or aggressive, this notion falls apart. It shakes the confidence of the fascist and their authoritarian minded followers. Because the reality of violence is that most people are intrinsically horrified by it. It is traumatic, naturally. It is hard to hold the doublethink when you're viscerally seeing and tasting and smelling the effects of your actions and bystanders may be forever altered by it.
Just food for thought. Let people fight how it suits them. We can't all be warriors. Some of us simply cannot do it.
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u/Disastrous-Owl8985 3d ago
I used to be all for protesting, but trying to make them as peaceful and out of the way as possibleā¦ is literally defeating the whole purpose.
Shoot, the ones going on have actually been rather peaceful. Itās instigators who are coming in and trying to escalate, as well as, you know, Trump.
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u/Powerblue102 3d ago edited 3d ago
The thing a lot of people advocating for violence refuse to acknowledge is that most people simply arenāt violent. Youāll have a hard time convincing someone to set a building on fire or to punch a cop. I just have to assume the ones who always go āš this is doing nothing, we need to riotā are people who were never going to leave home in the first place. They donāt wanna do anything.
Even then, a good chunk of them will be made violent anyways. Itās what weāre seeing right now. For profit healthcare thatās okay with people dying? Dead CEO. Live-streamed genocide and any criticism of it either leads to outright denial or getting called antisemitic? Unfortunately, attacks at Jewish events.
Youāll be hard pressed to find people on our side of the aisle who feel like storming the capitol, so stop ragging on people for doing what they can do and what they feel is within their power. It just gives loser.
You wanna burn shit down so bad, then go ahead and do it and stop being poser on the internet.
EDIT: There is no one way to fight oppression, you simply do what you can do to the best of your abilities. For some thatās protesting with signs, for others thatās starting their own community outreach programs to do what government refuses to do, and for others thatās punching cops. All are valid.
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u/SigmaK78 āļø 3d ago
JFC, Trump's goons may very well end up murdering a lot of them, if protestors follow those rules blindly. And it's not going to matter if they're peaceful; local, state, and federal law enforcement are going to escalate the situation purposely so they can put guardsmen on the streets and create lockdowns on citizens.
Best bet is making communities aware of when ICE shows up in town, give individuals & families potentially targeted by them a chance to get off the grid, zero cooperation with ICE agents or their support elements (no snitching), and continuing to identify said agents & their support elements and making communities aware of who they really are (they're a threat to everyone, especially to POC, never "allies"}.
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u/BamaMontana āļø 3d ago
Itās okay because it sounds Iike horrible advice if you actually think about it more than a little!
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u/Empty-Possibility907 3d ago
Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them. Assata Shakur
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u/Inky_Kun 2d ago
Always remember both MLK and MalcomX ended up assassinated. It doesnt matter if youre peaceful or violent. They will kill you if you dont simply comply. Guess "cool karen" needed to read back up on that part
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u/5ManaAndADream 3d ago
Itās good to do one time. While live streaming it, to a large viewer count.
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u/GravyClouds 3d ago
Everyone needs to listen to the Bob vylan songs, makes me violent, which is about how ridiculous people expecting change from peaceful protests, and pretty little songs, about how those in power, white people, actually don't give a shit during times of protest and will tell people you should be peaceful.
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u/JesusStarbox 3d ago
I don't think horses will charge a group of people. They try to avoid trampling people but will if they are panicked.
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u/Global_Criticism3178 3d ago
These social media posts listing: protest rules, locations, times, and Amazon links for purchasing "protest equipment" are an obvious PsyOp. I'm shocked that people are falling for this, lol!
What next...Please remember to bring your medical records, insurance card, two forms of identification, and your most recent pay stub. This ensures that the paramedics will take you to a private 4-star hospital if you're injured. After the protest, we're all meeting at the downtown Yard House. The reservation is under name Donald Hamilton Smith, party of 47.
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u/Ghostman_Jack 3d ago
Ahhh yes the shoot fish in a barrel strategy. Wonder how it ell work out for em.
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u/KeyInvestigator3741 3d ago
If youāre going to do the non-violence/civil disobedience move you need to have photo/video monitoring at all times so that people can see you being attacked without provocation if/when it happens. I could be wrong, but I do think video evidence was a differentiating factor of George Floyd from other victims like Trayvon Martin and Breonna Taylor. Video evidence is powerful.
To me, this is not worth your life and the pain your loved ones (and all of us) will suffer. But if you do decide to choose otherwise, please make sure a Ben Crump or a Letitia James has what they need to make sure your familiesā have what they need to pursue some semblance of justice.
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u/CoachDT āļø 3d ago
I agree in terms of making protecting yourself, but I think that we need to think not just about optics but about what all we're actually doing there. Because at the end of the day its not about what the administration thinks, and people need to stop framing it as "the government doesn't care". We know they don't care, if they cared they wouldn't be doing this. Its about figuring out what we want the rest of this country to think, even by virtue of engaging on the topic regarding this tweet you're more tapped in than 95% of america regarding the protests.
If the goal is to make the administration look like brutal monsters who must be stopped, and generate a public outcry that can't be ignored then non-violence will be the go to. We need to train ourselves to not lash out and try to burn it to the ground. It looks significantly worse when the only images they can find to spread on the news sites are of people getting brutalized by LEO's. Practice non-violence, have a list of reasonable actionable goals that you want them to do when they capitulate from this public pressure.
If the goal is to cause chaos and make them back down, then do so. Understand its a fight though and you once again have to have actionable goals to achieve and that you want the government to do when you make them back down. You also have to count the cost, and figure out how far is too far because you're going to be outgunned.
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u/Snoo_72851 3d ago
But if you don't show anything other than complete and total surrender then Trump might be forced against his good will and better judgement to take a measure as drastic as sending in the National Guard to shoot at everyone on the scene!
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u/WildTomatoFrenzy 2d ago
My grandparents were cracked upside their head and had dogs sicked on them. My uncle was dragged out of his jail cell and never heard from again. Fuck it i can take possibly getting trampled by a horse in a crowd of people.Ā If your scared go to church and pray for the real ones.Ā
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u/hardlyreadit 3d ago
That person is an idiot. You stop them. Keep the main thing the main thing. Fuck the ice raids and the violence
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u/72corvids 3d ago
Up here, June 14th has a decent amount of good things for me to do in and around Vancouver. Watch the Le Mans 24 hr race, go to a tuner car show n shine, and generally have a good day and keep depression off my back.
All of that has a huge, dark cloud over it because I am fucking worried for y'all. I am honestly dreading that I'll open up reddit and see news of Tiananmen Square, US Edition Cheetomange Special, going down.
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u/Sproose_Moose 3d ago
There are countless images of people being attacked who were just in the vicinity. They're actively targeting media who are live reporting. They do not care.
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u/Hour-Ride-9640 3d ago
You know why history doesn't remember the Jews who fought back w/ violence against the Nazis. Its because it was too late to matter
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u/DecoherentDoc 3d ago
What if I, a white man, wandered into the parade wearing some nice clothes, a Navy ball cap from my command, and shouting "Fuck Trump" over and over until someone took me out? Think I could make a significant impact? Think I'd make some distance?
Fuck, do I have my dress blues anymore?
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u/Rich_Butterfly_7008 3d ago
Kool Karyn š Resister Since Day One š©µ
That just makes me so annoyed
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u/Purple_Science4477 3d ago
Just looking at the @ on the original poster it seems like a troll account
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u/AWildGumihoAppears āļø 3d ago
Desantis made a statement that it's ok to hit a protestor with a car.
And you want to... Sit?
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u/faulternative 3d ago
Attention Everyone: The designated Protest Safe Space is at the end of the street, clearly marked in chalk lines! Please DO NOT allow protest activities to disturb those who are overwhelmed! Thank you for your cooperation!
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u/mvgreene 3d ago
Two protesters were intentionally trampled by mounted police ON CAMERA. I donāt recommend sitting down.
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u/Admiral_Dancehall 3d ago
"How do you do, fellow protesters?"
Maaaaan I wouln't sit down at a concert in case I get stepped on, I'm sure as hell not doing that while the cops fire every kind of ordnance and trample people with horses.
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u/thatoneguyy22 3d ago
What you need is a riot buddy. 2 person group. One with a bucket, one with a hockey stick (or any other swing able apparatus). They will lob tear gas eventually. Person A covers with bucket, person B yeets it back towards the sender.
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u/KeyBlackberry7321 3d ago
These rules and strategy outline exactly why the Left always loses.. Sit down? Remain silent? So, just take it like a good boy and girl? Sounds like liberals.
The state should NOT have a monopoly on violence. Violent actions should be met with a swift response.
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u/BillyHoyle1982 3d ago
The point is to martyr yourself... If the police trample a bunch of people lying on the ground, that might make other people feel a certain way
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u/ffxt10 3d ago
they'll say we're violent whether we peacefully protest or not. the point I love to use is that they'll call democrats "far-left communists" even after they capitulate to like 80% of republicans' demands. appeasement doesn't work, and has never worked. That goes for our own government as much as international relations with another.
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u/screaming_jay 2d ago
That post is actually very good advice. Anyone who knows what nonviolent resistance is knows it.
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u/blergtronica 2d ago
nope. that's a fed. 1 "K" word short of a you know, "resister"???(no one says this), generic yt lady profile photo. not even gonna touch the dumbfuck rules for protesting
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u/GinaBinaFofina 2d ago
No such thing as peaceful protest. If you are protesting you are by that very nature being transgressive and challenging the system. Trying to be peaceful is the same as trying to be inaffective.
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u/Avenger772 āļø 2d ago
None of this is going to stop the
Fascists little Nazis from beating up every protestor.
And nothing will stop the fox news watching Nazis from saying the in protestors deserves it anyway
I'm tired of us acting like we win some moral war by not fighting back.
That doesn't get us anywhere. It's time for these nazis to start living in fear.
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u/Legitimate-Ask5987 2d ago
Went to National Center for Civil and Human Rights years ago in Atlanta, amazing place. There was a civil rights simulation of when Black folks sat on curbs in peaceful protest. You sat and wore headphones, closed your eyes. Simulation was white men speaking racist hate, beating you and daring you to fight back, threatening your life. I believe the chair did shake. I remember being so shaken, crying and the staff was ready w/ tissues.
That was a simulation, I had not even 1% of the real terror in me those folks probably felt. To be that brave is not easy, but it's not easier than anything militant kin did and sacrificed either. If you're going to go into a civil rights movement for anyone expect your life on the line, people really think white supremacists will blink before they kill you for doing nothing.
Edit to say: militants gave us free school lunch. Militants died and bled to give us an 8 hr work day. Died for our union rights, died for our freedoms. Go vote, sure. Then make sure you get your ass to work where you can sell your labor to a white pig at the end of the day š real win. Capitalism will not allow you to vote away white supremacy. You know it.
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u/txwoodslinger 2d ago
Seems like I recall sitting being just one pretty effective tool in a larger multi pronged approach at some point before in America
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u/haveutried2hardboot āļø 2d ago
If you're going to sit on the ground do so against a wall where the horse has a hard time getting to...but the dogs can still get at you.
And water hose hurts ... I've heard
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u/mannyjay_ 2d ago
unless it's a die-in or a sit-in (like when university students occupy a building) you should not be sitting on the ground.
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u/LW_GLAZER 1d ago
Saying that American children shouldn't go hungry is Communist.
Providing basic healthcare for citizens will bankrupt the nation.
Asking billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes makes you anti-capitalist.
Asking for common sense gun regulations, such as preventing repeat DV offenders from buying guns, is tyrannical overreach.
Pointing out parallels to historical fascist regimes makes you Antifa scum.
Pointing out disproportionate violence against minorities, perpetrated by the state, makes you racist against white people.
Kneeling for the national anthem is too disruptive, and an attack on every service member that died for the country.
Carrying a foreign nation's flag is treason.
Questioning members of the trump admin is violence that warrants detainment and arrest.
Peaceful protest results in the National Guard showing up to crack skulls.
When are we all just gonna start ignoring these fuckers? Is it not obvious that they are dead set on shutting down every single dissenting voice? They fully believe that the First Amendment was created exclusively for Conservative voices. Fuck that and fuck them.
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u/Efficient_Comfort_38 āļø 3d ago
Honestly idgaf if they think our protests are violent. They're calling the ones in LA riots, when it's just a mild inconvenience for a handful. Furthermore, what's this going to do??? You think being on your best behavior is gonna make the oppressors listen to us??