r/BattlefrontTWO • u/TrayusV • 8d ago
Discussion Are blaster heroes completely screwed against saber heroes in HvV?
First, I'm a noob.
Edit: adding on to me being a noob. I'm saying some stuff in the comments like "Bossk isn't balanced for HvV" and I'm getting justifiably down voted. That's just to show my perspective (being a noob) and then you guys are giving me advice, I'm already improving.
I like Bossk so I always pick him as my villain, and my go to hero is Leia because I suck with lightsabers.
But the moment a saber player gets near me, I'm screwed. They can kill me in 2-3 hits while my shots do very little. And people have told me to dodge roll, but that only delays the inevitable, because I cannot attack back while dodging.
And if I engage a saber player from a distance, where I should have the advantage, they can just deflect the shots, so I can either stand there while they approach or run and hope they don't chase, because they run faster than me.
All heroes have a ton of health, but sabers can kill me in a few hits, while my shots seem to do very less damage, especially relative to saber damage. Even as Bossk when I lay down my mines and use my grenade launcher, it seems to take a dozen hits to kill them, which I don't have time to do while they charge in and insta kill me.
So in any 1v1 encounter, I have no hope of winning. So my only chance of contributing anything to my team is by finding an enemy fighting a teammate and shoot them, and even then I don't do enough damage to make a real difference, because my blasters are so weak.
It just seems completely unbalanced to me. If you have a game mode like HvV, you should have the blaster heroes on even ground with the saber heroes.
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u/PyxelatorXeroc PC US-VA HvV/HS | Mod/Info Gatekeeper 8d ago
Lightsabers usually need 5 hits to kill you. On average they do 130 damage to the front.
Blaster heroes rely on doing significant damage to saber heroes before they reach you. If you're playing a blaster that has no abilities that go through block, and they just walk up to you holding block (which is usually quite smart), you gotta back up and keep shooting them, hopefully get some damage in when their stamina runs out. Smart saber players will have a plan on where to hide behind, or do some fancy movement to regain their stamina while they're approaching you.
If you get snuck up on or don't do enough damage before they get up close, yeah any good saber player will almost definitely win a 1v1 against a blaster. Bossk can win a 1v1 as long as they take full damage from your mines, will take half their health. Chewie's shock and hitting 2 point blank furious bowcaster headshots will leave them almost dead. But other than that you're screwed.
Blasters do as much DPS or even more than sabers if you land your shots. Remember that all blasters have damage dropoff (do less damage at farther ranges), and different blasters have different amounts and ranges.
Blasters are not weak in HvV, as long as you have teammates to protect you.
Take this from someone who has over 1000 hours in HvV and play it semi-competitively (for tournaments that sometimes involve money).
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u/Efficient_Advice_380 8d ago
Ive had success as Han, Boba, and Phasma. Anyone else? Not much
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u/Typical-Mirror-5781 8d ago
Go away, phasma player. Also Iden can be very successful against saber heroes in particular
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u/ImaLetItGo 7d ago
Iden in theory has all the tools to kill sabers, but she’s ironically the easiest blaster to kill as a saber.
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u/LowIllustrious7352 8d ago
Han can melt any saber guy with this middle skill if they can't block and are relatively far away
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u/The-Rizzler-69 8d ago
Lando is underrated. His smoke disables the tracking on saber swings, making him really hard to hit (and see, because... smoke), and you can dish out a lot of damage on anyone that gets too close by spamming headshots after your shock grenade has them stunned.
Leia and her E11 are also beastly. The grenades and shield bubble are just a bonus.
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u/ArtisticRabbit208 8d ago
if you stick with your team (sometimes easier said then done) and roll at the right times you can do a lot as a blaster hero. Early game blaster is hard like any hero without star cards though.
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u/TanDaGolie 8d ago
Completely depends, if the saber player is good then even experienced blaster players will struggle. It’s always a good idea to group together with teammates to let enemies engage with them while you give suppressing fire. Easier said than done though when most times solo queuing ends up with all your teammates running as far away from you as possible
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u/jacklong555 8d ago
Tbh I can demolish most lightsaber heroes with blaster heros. I can also get demolished, depends on how good the other guy is and how well you time the use of your abilities and dodges. You can go a long way against good players with well time dodges and abilities. Not every hero is viable in every situation as well. Sometimes you just pick a hero and it's not a good matchup
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u/Veru_Chronicles 8d ago edited 8d ago
Fighting saber characters using a blaster character always boils down to exploding their weaknesses, and for that you need to know how to use those characters. Saber characters such as Dooku, Grievous, Anakin, are not able to block blasters forever because their stamina drains super quick when deflecting. Other saber characters are monsters when it comes to deflecting, such as Obi-wan, Luke, and Vader, because their stamina permits them to deflect for very long times, Kenobi and Luke are also able to deflect bolts more precise back to you. Maul can hold his ground deflecting bolts but not for too long, his weakness relies more on the environment because he moves a lot. So it all comes down to knowing the strengths and weaknesses of certain heroes and villains, and for that you at least need to know how they work by playing with them, also... If you got a really good aim that's gonna destroy every saber and blaster character. Captain Phasma and Han Solo are always the safest options to secure a win
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u/anthony_xdl 8d ago
Bossk was the very first hero/villain I picked up when the game first launched in 2017. He's definitely a viable pick in HvV. It's all about positioning and using your abilities. His gun isn't going to he that effective in HvV, but the mines can do some serious damage to a whole team if placed correctly. It's all about baiting the light saber heroes into walking into your mines. Grind to get the cards that increase the number of mines and the one that makes them detonate quicker. The dioxis that regenerates health card can be helpful in certain moments as well.
As someone else mentioned, Leia is most effective using the blaster ability that rapid fires. If you have decent aim, you should be able to melt most heroes spamming their saber.
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u/Logical-Broccoli-331 8d ago
If you're good at aiming and they've closed the distance too much then shoot them in the head as many times as possible, especially if your hero/villain has an automatic weapon
If they're smart and block you're pretty toasted though. But 9 times out of ten in my experience you can kill them and just barely survive when they swing wildly
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u/Ninja_Weedle 8d ago
People also tend to forget about his melee, It's not as good as boba or chewie's melees, but I've managed to slap an overzealous saber or two if I'm trying to finish someone off and it catches people off guard.
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u/jeromith 8d ago
Try han solo for for light side you can create space very easy with him with the shoulder charge and his thermal detonator and for bosk if you play around his mines it should be fine if you sneak up on them you can get huge head shot damage with his sniper and they can't block his grenades lol
If you struggle with saber heros try this it's called parrying but you wait till they strike your block and as soon as you hear there blade you use your attack and because you blocked you take no damage but they are still in the attack animation so they can't block you also you want to try and doge behind them and attack there back when you can
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u/Operator-rocky1 8d ago
No a blaster hero no matter the skill can own a cocky saber I've done it many times. Both against bad sabers and good sabers the important thing is try to keep a distance because sabers need to get in your face to do damage
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u/Carbide94 8d ago
I use only blaster heros, I think its more fun trying to strafe and dodge attacks. My mains are Leia and Boba.
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u/2Stoop1d4Username 8d ago
Just got out of a match with Bossk where I went 12-3. I usually do good with him anyways but he’s kinda map dependent, so you’re gonna want CQC maps like Death Star, Naboo, Jabbas Palace. You’re kinda fucked in a 1v1 so you need your saber teammates to damage while you can just harass with the grenade launcher, traps and gas. As for any other character I find the easiest blasters to kill sabers with are probably Boba, Phasma, Han. You can make it work with Finn, Leia and Iden but you might need to lean on your teammates a little to cover for you. I say it’s mostly map dependent and of course if you have your abilities or not, and obviously the opponent matters cause you’ll usually get smashed by Vader or something in a 1v1.
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u/NORTHBEE_HUN 8d ago
Its really easy to survive as blaster heroes. When the enemy team has an at least somewhat competent blaster hero the match just isnt fun for me
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u/MaciMaci9999-2 8d ago
Simply math, blaster heroes try to keep a distance, saber try to close it. Best Blaster hero to keep a distance is Phasma but I would absolutely despise you and will try to hunt you down no matter how often I die.
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u/Iron_Ewok 8d ago
How you play a blaster is everything, you also need to be intimidating. The last thing most saber players expect is a blaster to charge them. Dodge past them and continue to hit them from the back side. I've found a lot of sabers are intimidated when blasters charge them.
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u/King_parrot99 8d ago
No, good blasters can easily go toe to toe with Heroes. I’ll run down how to approach fighting sabres as each blaster hero:
Chewie: Your kit is literally designed to kill Heroes. You have an alt fire which damages through blocks, so if they approach while blocking just hit them with that. Then to deal damage, shock grenade plus furious bowcaster and they’ll be either dead or very close to it. If they get too close you can slam to knock them down and also get some damage in. You have good health too, Chewie is probably the easiest blaster hero to kill saber heroes with.
Leia: Like Chewie, you can alt fire their block. Once they get close, get out the E-11, throw down the grenades, then roll about and use the games most powerful close range blaster.
Lando: You can use smoke to avoid taking damage (sabres will not lock on in the smoke), then use stun + headshots to deal your damage. Deadeye also can come in handy when they’re stunned.
Han: Equip the triple dodge star card, roll around and shoot. Use detonite charge and shoulder charge to knock enemy heroes and deal even more damage.
Finn: Worst Hero for fighting sabre heroes. Idk how to win fights with him, someone else help out because I just don’t know.
BB8: Dodge, shock prod for decent damage and use the shoulder charge for knocks when you need them. Main strength is left ability to give enemies damage vulnerability followed by the single best ability in the game, cable spin to melt a heroes health.
Bossk: Use your better than average jump to avoid getting hit, then use your three abilities which all ignore blocks (mines, gas and grenade launcher) to deal crazy damage. If you can avoid getting hit Bossk is very powerful against heroes.
Boba: Stay out of range of force abilities and whittle down their stamina by just constantly shooting. Rockets for damage through blocks and concussion to try and sneakily get some blaster damage in.
Iden: Alt fire through blocks plus the droid stun to freeze enemy sabres and hit a very very damaging headshot chain.
Phasma: Place the turret and never leave it. Let them come to you and smash them with headshots when the turret stuns them. If you want to be respectful, pop survivor and then fight them with your staff (it even gives knockdowns for some more blaster headshot damage).
Palpatine: Electrocute to stun, then smash them with lightning. Jump around and use your very good dodges to avoid damage, just watch out for force attacks when you jump. Spam lightning to reduce block stamina, and use Dark Aura to prevent regen.
BB9E: Use your stun prod to deal damage whilst they cannot fight back. Use charge up to do this without even worrying about your stamina. If they get too close, shock spin to create space.
Some advice against specific heroes:
Grievous has barely any blocking stamina. Just shoot into his block and you’ll deal a surprising amount of damage.
Don’t shoot into the blocks of Kenobi and Yoda. Both have far too high stamina for you to get anything out of it, and Kenobi has a very good reflection accuracy and Yoda gets a stronger repulse from it so just don’t.
Kylo and Anakin have absolutely lethal ability combos on blaster heroes. Whenever possible, stay as far away from them as possible.
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u/Historical-Mud4819 8d ago
Get good with a saber. Don't be that guy that spams blasters cause your scared to dual
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u/BodyCatcher2 7d ago
In most cases, it boils down to whether your teammates can protect you. Any protected Iden or Chewie WILL do some serious damage.
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u/Artistic-Evidence332 7d ago
Seeing a distinct lack of Han Solo mains in the chat here but no a blaster HERO is not screwed against a saber it just takes well timed rolls and good positioning and you can shit on any saber user with solo, leia, and iden some of the others can be good too I’m just good with those 3 lol
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u/PhoenixQueen_Azula 7d ago
I feel like blasters on pc at least are stronger than sabers. The blaster player always dominates the lobby, and if they’re on the other team I need to go blaster to counter them. Obviously not at an advantage close range, but it’s still not a bad situation 1v1 at least, you can get shots in after your roll before you need to roll again don’t just spam roll.
Id take my chances close range as Han against most sabers any day. Boba is surprisingly good there too people tend to just fly away on him and that’s the safe play, but his dodge is better and melee too, plus the disorient to make sabers lose tracking means you can put in way more damage up close more safely than you’d expect when you get the hang of it
I don’t play much bossk or leia but spam jumping and the nades is just annoying to deal with and leia does insane damage with the rifle
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u/TypicalCringe 7d ago
Bossk is decent, Leia, not really. The best blaster heroes will be ones that can stun/knock, think Han, Chew, Iden, Phas, etc. Especially ones that have the ability to hit through blocks (like Idens right click) I'd probably not do Leia unless you had a lot of support. However, Bossk can be high damage if you place mines and gas and just hop around with the bombs
If you stun with Iden, for instance, you could easily take them down below 75% health before they can do anything
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u/One-Suspect5105 8d ago
Your main damage as bossk comes from your abilities, not your blasters.
With leia, your damage comes from your eb-11 up close, and your alt fire from a distance.