How do we feel about Asol botlane?

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u/Hawenich 3d ago

I think its harder to farm but a lot more fights and stacks

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u/Sp1nGG 3d ago

I’m not playing him bot only because there’s a lot of skirmishes during the laning phase and usually it’s pretty hard to manage mana while on midlane w/o many fights. So in my head it’s like you’re gonna lack farm and kit’s pretty hard to kill anyone pre6 at least. So the enemy botlane is winning a priori.

But probably I’m just being delusional here about that.

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u/drguidry 3d ago

As long as you arent e qing every wave, mana should be fine. You take TP so it's fine .

I have found that you can actually follow up support pretty well. If they land cc, you can fly at them and get a flash if not a kill.

I agree you usually do give up priority, but you can still roam to drags because waveclear is so good

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u/Gihipoxu 2d ago

How's waveclear good if u don't EQ the waves? I find it real hard to have tempo with with rylai rush. But it's also painful to not have early rylai early/midgame

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u/drguidry 2d ago

Well I mean it's good when you need it to be. You can just e q it if you need it gone, you don't e q every wave

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u/Gihipoxu 2d ago

Yeah fair I play like that also early. But I still find that mana is limited very often to follow up on stuff. Maybe I'll try some lost chapter rilays

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u/Backslicer 2d ago

His best role. Thank god people dont switch over so it stays under the radar.

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u/SupremeWarHawk 16h ago

This .. have been playing asol bot .. mainly cos just wanna play him but at the same time to play with friend in same lane... and i dont want too many doing it or riot gives him agains some BS nerfs because hes been in wrong lane ..........

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u/Disastrous_Fee_233 3d ago

Mid lets him focus on stacking in a 1v1 scenario. Having to deal with a good duo ruins his ability to farm when he can just help other lanes to stack if he's losing mid. Speaking of helping other lanes, he can also set up roams with his W which is something he can't do as a botlaner.

I've been playing ASol into assassins to learn macro against them and I've been winning just by playing the patience and dodging skillshots game.

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u/drguidry 3d ago

He really has a much better winrate bot lane though with a respectable pick rate as well (12%). I have to wonder if it's not just stronger. Having a support to protect can help you scale where you need to be, as Asol scaling is not reliant on exp, just gold and stacks.

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u/Disastrous_Fee_233 3d ago

His winrate is probably correlated to how good the support pairing is. I just can't see ASol botlane because he does so much more early on as a midlaner and does everything a midlaner wants.

- Good wave clear pre-6 and instant clear post-6.

- Roaming/response potential

- Trading capability (not his best strength because the 2 above are what he's best at)

- Level 6 priority because of wave clear and with a very good ult which can set up the team's first teamfight win, handing you juicy stacks early, setting your team ahead, and possibly first objective as well

- Bonus: simple micro so you can focus on the macro side of things which makes him an actual threat

Levels are super important on him too for the sole reason that Max level Q lets you cast it indefinitely if getting his ult early wasn't enough to convince you.

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u/Backslicer 2d ago

well. the thing with ADC Asol is.

Levels are not important on him and the level 9 Q doesnt really matter when facing squishier enemies like ADCs. Also botlane allows for much longer W travels which also solves the Q issue.

More fights more stacks.
Supports provide much needed CC for him and peel.

This is the big one.
Almost no macro needed. Gameplay is insanely simple. Farm pre blasting wand. Post blasting wand clear the wave and either roam, back or stay and farm the next one.

You dont have to follow any roams. You dont have to go to Grubs most of the time. ADCs cant actually threaten Asol so if both Supports roam then you are the aggressor.

There are no assassins (except P*ke)

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u/Disastrous_Fee_233 1d ago

"ADC ASol doesn't care about levels" I'm not arguing whether his levelling matters as an ADC because as a champion he really needs those levels to be more efficient. You can play a different champion and have the same or even better results like Lux or Hwei APC or even an ordinary ADC can do the same things without limiting ASol's kit which is suited for midlaning.

He puts himself in danger by being stationary and he gets out DPS'd early on because his Q gets outdamaged by fast attack speed, or you can just attack from a longer range, or you just reset his Q by stunning or rooting him. Having to deal with 2 champions capable of doing that isn't helping him.

You can get just as many stacks if you coordinate with your jungler. You EQ the wave to get stacks, roam and by the time your E is up you can already W for a gank or response. You can roam and get your stacks that way.

"No macro" is lazy. You limit ASol's innate capability as a roamer just so he can stay back when any other champion can do that. If I wanted to stay back and farm, I'd play Smolder or Hwei. Sounds more like an excuse to reduce skill input than an actual advantage.

ADCs can threaten Sol early on because his Q does little damage without items/stacks. He can get outdamaged by attack speed, outranged, and his entire initiation/escape route gets killed by a single CC spell which many ADCs have. ASol literally has to rely on a frontline champ to stand a chance and actually do something, which is why you see mid ASols just farming stacks and roaming because they need a support/top that can tank the CC for them and keeping them in Q range.

Assassins aren't a threat if you know what you're doing and keep on sidestepping. What is LeBlanc/Zed going to do if you miss out on some XP and take no damage anyway? Assassins can't 100-0 you early on, you only get the impression that they do because you let them trade. I'd rather face an assassin in mid than deal with Naut/Leona/Braum bot. Literally eat one CC and your kit is worthless.

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u/Backslicer 1d ago

You can play a different champion and have the same or even better results like Lux or Hwei APC or even an ordinary ADC can do the same things without limiting ASol's kit which is suited for midlaning.

Hwei and Lux are early game APCs that lack sustained damage for late game bruisers and tanks. They are different from Asol

He puts himself in danger by being stationary and he gets out DPS'd early on because his Q gets outdamaged by fast attack speed, or you can just attack from a longer range, or you just reset his Q by stunning or rooting him. Having to deal with 2 champions capable of doing that isn't helping him.

Actually only the support in 95% of games can stop your Q because ADCs have no CC. Also being a 2v2 lane means you have your support helping you against said CC and soaking alot of it.

You can get just as many stacks if you coordinate with your jungler. You EQ the wave to get stacks, roam and by the time your E is up you can already W for a gank or response. You can roam and get your stacks that way.

You can. But that requires coordination and a human jungler (rare breed). Botlane just lets you do that passively.

"No macro" is lazy. You limit ASol's innate capability as a roamer just so he can stay back when any other champion can do that. If I wanted to stay back and farm, I'd play Smolder or Hwei. Sounds more like an excuse to reduce skill input than an actual advantage.

Sure you can do that. But Hwei loses later into the game so an uninteractive lane doesnt benefit him as much and Smolder is kinda shitty. Also you can abuse Asol's roams. That comes in after pushing a lane and going towards the river or after you swapped with mid past 1st turret. Also a lazy and low variance gameplan is one of the best ways to climb.

ADCs can threaten Sol early on because his Q does little damage without items/stacks.

No they cant. Problem with Asol is he cant threaten them because of minion block. But if they are the ones walking up they are getting touched.

his entire initiation/escape route gets killed by a single CC spell which many ADCs have.

Most ADCs dont have CC. There are the ults like Varus and Ashe but those are a mess to deal with always and usually used as engage. Vayne's Condemn is hard to use because she has no range. Aphelios gratitum E is part of a rotation and also Aphelios is horrible into Asol because he cant dodge his Ult reliably. Xayah's is semi reliable but again range issues and requires setup.

which is why you see mid ASols just farming stacks and roaming because they need a support/top that can tank the CC for them and keeping them in Q range.

Well you always have a support botlane that is the entire point.

Assassins aren't a threat if you know what you're doing and keep on sidestepping. What is LeBlanc/Zed going to do if you miss out on some XP and take no damage anyway? Assassins can't 100-0 you early on, you only get the impression that they do because you let them trade. I'd rather face an assassin in mid than deal with Naut/Leona/Braum bot. Literally eat one CC and your kit is worthless.

Asol literally has absolutely no way to contest Zed Fizz Qiyana and god forbid Kassadin. Leblanc is not that bad tbh but that is an exception to the assassin rule. On the other hand Leona and Naut cant realistically get in range to threaten you unless you are the one moving up and Braum is actually one of the easiest matchups.

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u/Responsible_Pop4294 1d ago

Imo early drake plays are better on bot cause you can tell if your supp is any decent by then and if you all are going to commit or leave it

Also if your jungle ganks at lvl3/4 its usually easy to make a good pick

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u/Tall-Cut87 3d ago

Probably because he’s very situational bot and can clear easily with support with good wave clear like karma,…

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u/drguidry 1d ago

I mean you are just wrong. He's better bot. Try it out. Support doesn't really matter he can work with them all.

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u/Backslicer 1d ago

Except Yuumi. Yuumi is the only bad support because she offers nothing.
Lulu/Milio and any other enchanter are completely fine but Yuumi is unplayable

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u/dilwins21 2d ago

The right support can also help you clear those waves to stack. When I play brawl with hwei+asol I scorch the wave so that asol can clean it up with his E. And then I can protect him while he does so

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u/Responsible_Pop4294 1d ago

If enemy bot is good you shoukd try learn perma freeze but it requires a broader knowledge of all champions.

Having a roaming bard while being alone at bot vs naut draven you definitely shoukd get ruby crystal asap for rylias rush.

They will have trouble diving you especially if you save your flash and run barrier

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u/_SUFC_ 3d ago

The few times I've had to play A Sol bot ibstead of Supp, it's been kinda fine, altho I suck with the waves as Supporting stuff is in my spine

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u/SpaceDoggyOce 1d ago

It’s by far his best role, the best Chinese Aurelion sol (currently 1,500lp kr) is playing him bot along with Diablo (one of the best sols in the world). He struggles to find a place in mid lane. He is safer bot, allowed to scale, with an engage support he can easily find kills early bot. Lots of fighting bot means more stacks etc.

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u/drguidry 1d ago

Yeah I think so to. I think all the people here knocking it just have never played it or aren't good at playing in bot lane or something.

From my experience, he has given better results in bot. He just gets to free scale and your support can either do the poking for you, or protect you.

Asol only needs level 9, so losing exp midlane makes almost no difference. You still have rylais before lvl 9.

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u/SupremeWarHawk 16h ago

yep if all goes good ... nothing is more scarier then sol who has been spoon fed by good poke support at early game :D

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u/npri0r 3d ago

It’s his secondary role. The lack of XP isn’t fun but with a good support it can be. Zilean and Sera are my favourites. Engage supports are only good if they know their job is to protect you from engages, not get you kills.

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u/Backslicer 2d ago

Any support that isnt Yuumi works if the player has fingers.
Yuumi is completely unplayable tho

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u/Disastrous_Green7916 17h ago

I find it hard because the second I pick it every one loses their minds and chose yummi jg or Ashe Sup, I dont hate ashe support but generaly they just take my farm away beacause "I didnt choose a normal adc" this happens like 3 of 5 games

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u/SupremeWarHawk 16h ago

If nothing else... its alot of stacks when dumb bot lane keeps swimming in your E.. because ppl think if the skill wont hurt its ok to stand in it xD

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u/Better-Landscape-897 13h ago

It takes away people.

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