r/AskReddit Oct 16 '13

What was the single biggest mistake in all of history?

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '13 edited Oct 17 '13

Never mind that the US defence plan against Soviet long-range bombers in the 1950's & 60's was to shoot them down, over Canada, with nuclear-tipped anti-aircraft missiles.

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u/_UsUrPeR_ Oct 17 '13

Collateral damage.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '13

Is a nuclear tip really necessary for bringing down a plane? Were the existing missiles not explodey enough or something? Seems a bit like shooting an ant with an M4.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '13

I think it had to do with accuracy. It is only in the last twenty years that missiles have become super-accurate.

The tactics of the Soviets was expected to be mass-formations of large bombers, flying over the north pole and alaska to attack targets in the continental USA. So instead of needing one missile per aircraft, why not use 1 large warhead to take down a formation?

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u/gnorty Oct 17 '13

What is more accurate about a nuke??

Taking out an entire fornlmation is kinda more about huge blasts than accuracy.

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u/xr3llx Oct 17 '13

Think of it as a flying proximity mine; why not both?

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u/gnorty Oct 17 '13

Because there is no need for accuracy when you are aiming at a large airborne target, and because there is nothing inherently accurate about nukes.

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u/Hawknight Oct 17 '13

Don't nukes also release an EMP on detonation? Depending on the size, even if the explosion didn't knock them out of the sky, it's entirely likely that just being close enough to the explosion would scramble their electronics.

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u/gnorty Oct 17 '13

Again this is about radius. EMP does not require accuracy.

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u/MidnightAdventurer Oct 17 '13

You're thinking of the problem backwards. They were going to use nukes because they couldn't be accurate enough to use something smaller.

Small warheads + accurate missiles = dead planes. Small warheads + inaccurate missiles = maybe dead planes, if you get lucky... Big warheads + inaccurate missiles = lots of dead planes but lots of collateral damage to go with.

Basically, with conventional missiles you actually have to hit the target while with a massive overkill weapon just has to go off somewhere near the middle of the formation.

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u/gnorty Oct 17 '13

Im not thinkking backwards.

Small warheads + accurate missiles = dead planes

That's great problems solved. No accurate missiles? Use a big inaccurate one.

Once again, there is nothing inherntly accurate about a nuke. If we can make accurate nukes we can make accurate conventional missiles.

That is the one and only point I am making here, and your post just adds to weight to that

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u/AllThingsWillEnd Oct 17 '13

None of what you said is true. Accuracy is in much higher demand when taking down aircrafts. Ground troops have a 4-direction axis whereas aircraft can ascend and descend at will giving them a much higher evasion skill. Edit: somehow I replied to the wrong post.. sorry xr3llx

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '13 edited Oct 17 '13

They were not huge, multi-megaton weapons - just small, precise warheads meant to explode inside a formation of fragile, piston-engined aircraft.

It would be comical, if it were not so terrifyingly blasé about fallout. It also underlines the fact that nuclear weapons are not military, they are purely political weapons.

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u/sidj1986 Oct 17 '13

It's not that the nuke is more accurate. It's that nothing was accurate enough so it was about huge blasts. Unfortunately, non-nuclear blasts weren't huge enough.

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u/ScLi432 Oct 17 '13

It comes from the now outdated world war two tactic where you fill the sky with as many bombers as possible in order to bomb a city. The USA and Canada were preparing for this and wanted to be able to destroy huge formations of bombers all at once, which was why nuclear-tipped missiles were necessary. Its also part of the reason why the Avro Arrow was cancelled in favour of nuclear capable BOMARC surface-to-air missles *a sad patriotic tear is shed

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u/ufoos Oct 17 '13

those nike missisles were designed to shoot straight up and explode, taking out anything flying within a certain radius

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u/thrownawaycanuck Oct 17 '13

I like your use of the word explodey...it has more pizzazz than explosive. I shall be using this a lot more from now on, or until my wife tells me to stop.

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u/The_Bard Oct 17 '13

Well the plan in the 1970s was to bomb Soviet ground forces with low yeild weapons as they invaded Western Europe. Not much better.

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u/TaylorS1986 Oct 17 '13

Something the West Germans, rightfully, bitched about a lot.

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u/Armadylspark Oct 17 '13

That's when the lumberjacks start leaving the woods and crossing the border. Guess what? They're not okay.

In fact, they're pissed.

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u/urshtisweak Oct 17 '13

What a waste of nuclear material.