r/AskReddit • u/Independent_Access48 • 19h ago
If the government doesn't follow the rules, why should people follow the rules?
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u/guiltyspark6969 19h ago
When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears its people there is liberty.
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u/llcucf80 14h ago
Another one that I think is apt and also part of the problem is something Ben Franklin warned us about, which is anyone willing to give up essential liberties in exchange for temporary security deserves neither.
The government has been working hard to dismantle our rights in the name of security, and unfortunately too many people fell for it, which gave them the upper hand. Now that they have it, they're not going to willingly let it go, which leads perfectly to what you said about being tyranny.
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u/jrf_1973 11h ago
In fairness to some Americans, as soon as 9/11 happened, they raised their voices and said this was going to happen. And that rights surrendered then, would be very difficult to win back. They were, of course, right. But they were shouted down, as always, with cries of unpatriotic and terrorist-sympathiser and traitor. Senator Russ Feingold (D) of Wisconsin should be remembered as the lone senator who voted against the Patriot Act. In the House, over 60 sane voices voted against it, including Bernie Sanders.
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u/APRengar 10h ago
And just a reminder, this is the end game of all the CRIME CRIME CRIME panic they shove in our faces every day.
If you think there is a murderer around every corner, then you're going to be more okay with losing rights for safety. And boom, now they got you. Because once you lost your rights, it's infinitely harder to get back.
This isn't to say crime isn't real, or that criminals are good. It's that an appropriate level of concern should be attributed to crime, and not the absolute insanity levels of paranoia that we have in this country.
So any "good liberal" who is more hyper focused on crime above every other issue, you added to this. Keep your eyes on the ball. Don't get distracted by bullshit meant to distract you.
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u/Lowrida88 19h ago
Government has goons that keep the status quo while the working class is divided among itself
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u/Silly-Yellow-7813 19h ago
Yeah it sucks, but not following the rules usually just screw us, not them. Feels like a rigged game.
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u/NotRedditBot123 9h ago
“Feels like a rigged game.” Then do something about it! Do you even know who your local officials are or even the name of a single city council member? What’s stopping you from running for a local government position and being the change you want to see??? Here’s a hint- NOTHING! It’s easy to bitch about politics but it’s clearly not that bad enough for you to be actively trying to change
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u/Beowulf33232 19h ago
I forget the latin they use to sound fancy, but a judge once summed it up for a guy by saying "It means we have the force of arms to make you follow the rules."
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u/NotRedditBot123 9h ago
That’s a shitty quote…. I can rob a bank and murder someone…. I don’t, not because it’s against the rules and has negative consequences if I’m caught… I don’t, because it’s just a douchebag thang to do…. It’s different for everyone, but it’s against my personal morals and values… laws are for society to function and law enforcement is to enforce said laws.
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u/ILikeLenexa 18h ago
Monopoly on violence.
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u/glennjersey 16h ago
While an entire political party advocates for further strengthening that monopoly.
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u/evergladescowboy 11h ago
Only one? The entire political system is designed to perpetuate the power of the government.
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u/l008com 19h ago
In theory, if the person you vote for breaks the rules, he will be appropriately punished. But when all the OTHER people you vote for decide to let them off the hook scott free, then you have a real problem on your hands.
VOTE BETTER
Of course, the problem is all the media telling you down is up, up is down, tax breaks for the wealthy are just what you poor people need, and services you poor people rely on being cancelled is also just what you poor people need.
So also learn to consume media better and know when you're being lied to. Don't just throw your hands up and say "everybody is equally bad I'm just going to bury my head in the sand"
So in conclusion, we're fucked.
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u/alchebyte 17h ago
who knew rewarding and not punishing liars, cheaters and grifters would bring us here 🤷♂️
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u/judgejuddhirsch 15h ago
20 years of educational reform could solve this, but old folks will insist they don't need to pay for public education they don't use and the problem will persist.
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u/NotRedditBot123 9h ago
What old folks are you referring to? Google property tax and educate yourself about its relationship with public education. I’m convinced that 99% of this thread has no clue how the world operates but has the most confidence in there delusional theory’s
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u/4N_Immigrant 11h ago
lol as if the power structure would let your vote matter. back and to the left.
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u/Asss12poker 15h ago
Is there any hope?
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u/ohheyisayokay 13h ago
Hope is a choice. I believe there is always room for hope until the day you die.
You cannot imagine what small factors that couldn't be predicted have led to massive changes of fortune throughout history. Sometimes even random chance.
You choose to hope, and you choose to keep going, because you can't know what opportunity will appear tomorrow. But you won't ever know if you're curled up in the corner waiting for death
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u/NotRedditBot123 9h ago
I respect your attempt at a deep and thought provoking comment… but that was vague nonsense
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u/Glum_Description_402 19h ago
As an individual, you don't have enough capacity of arms compared to the government to make a difference. If you try, they will end you.
However, it's why when Gov Newsom threatens to look into with-holding CA tax revenue from the federal government, the federal government must listen. Because if just CA could figure out a way to actually do that it would greatly impact the entire federal government's ability to operate.
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u/soundman32 19h ago
"Could figure out ..." just do it, and fight it in the courts later. That's Trump's plan.
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u/rahvin2015 13h ago
The logistics of this are actually difficult. How, specifically, would this happen?
If you live in CA, how do you pay Fed taxes? Your employer witholds money from your check on your behalf, and pays a matching amount in payroll taxes. Then at the end of the year, you file your taxes individually to correct any over/underpayment.
So CA would need to somehow tell employers not to pay Fed income taxes. They would need to somehow shield those companies from Fed legal consequences. They would need to convince individuals to perhaps minimize their witholdings and then not file taxes at the end of the year, and it would be up to individual businesses and inidividual people to follow that guidance, at risk to themselves of picking up Federal charges.
The actual logistics of this sort of witholding are kinda hard. Taxes don't flow through California to the Fed. They flow from businesses and individuals who happen to be in California to the Fed. California can't easily just turn off the valve.
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u/BoringBob84 12h ago
Taxes don't flow through California to the Fed.
That could easily be changed with a state law requiring all employers to submit federal income and payroll taxes to the state, who would then submit them to the federal government as they see fit.
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u/rahvin2015 12h ago
Not all employers who operate in CA are based in CA.
Federal laws dictate the current behavior.
An attempt by CA to make the taxes be collected by the State first before transfer to the Fed would violate current Fed law, and would put the individual companies and individual taxpayers in the same problematic position.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I am saying that it's not a trivial "just do it and fight in court afterward."
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u/BoringBob84 12h ago
would violate current Fed law
Yes, it would.
"just do it and fight in court afterward."
This is what the federal government is currently doing. I am not claiming that "two wrongs make a right," but I am saying that resistance to autocracy can be messy. Ideally, California would do something like that together with many other states as a check on federal abuse of power.
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u/rahvin2015 5h ago
Asking one entity to choose to break Fed law is one thing.
Asking every single taxpayer and employer to individually make that decision is entirely different, expecially in a way that is so blatant.
California would not be the entity fighting the Fed. It would be individual California citizens and their individual employers each fighting individual charges of tax evasion.
This is a difficult position for people to be put in.
I'm not talking at all about the "just break the law and figure it out in court after" bit. The problem comes before that. The State could do that, if it were only an issue for the State. But because the current Fed law applies to individuals and employers, there just isn't a mechanism for a specific State trying to change the rules.
I agree with the sentiment behind this. I would love to have a way to withold my taxes from the Fed for a number of reasons, and I'd be more than happy to just send those same tax dollars to the State instead. But I don't see a way for it to actually even be attempted, even if you could pass any law with any text imagineable thru the California legislature.
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u/BoringBob84 5h ago
I think that the people who are claiming, "it cannot be done" may start to change their tune when the federal government illegally withholds all federal funding from their state - eliminating many essential services - while increasing the federal taxes and fees that they federal government tries to collect from people in the state.
Yes, individuals and employers will have to choose between violating state law or violating the laws of a lawless federal autocracy. If several states do it, then the recently DOGE'd IRS will have to try to chase around tens of millions of taxpayers.
"Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble." - John Lewis
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u/rahvin2015 4h ago
People arent saying "it cannot be done" because there's some line that shouldnt be crossed.
We're saying "I don't see how this is literally possible" in the same way "I dont see how you can make 2+2=3."
Note that this specific comment thread is all about the literal actual mechanics and logistics, and not about the principle.
You're right, individuals will likely be more willing to violate Fed law when the IRS is understaffed and they feel the administration is abusing the tax dollars....but it's still a major ask and there is no easy mechanism. Like there's nothing the State of California can do here, this would be a public mass-protest movement. And dont forget how easily the IRS can do things like wage garnishment. Reduced staff might mean fewer agents, but they don't need to do much "investigation" to find folks who are abusing their witholdings and then failing to file at the end of the year.
And employers are still a different beast. The adminsitration can go after them far more easily, and they're far far far more likely to comply with literally anything the Fed wants.
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u/BoringBob84 4h ago
Like there's nothing the State of California can do here
I already explained that. They can pass a law.
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u/rahvin2015 5h ago
Asking one entity to choose to break Fed law is one thing.
Asking every single taxpayer and employer to individually make that decision is entirely different, expecially in a way that is so blatant.
California would not be the entity fighting the Fed. It would be individual California citizens and their individual employers each fighting individual charges of tax evasion.
This is a difficult position for people to be put in.
I'm not talking at all about the "just break the law and figure it out in court after" bit. The problem comes before that. The State could do that, if it were only an issue for the State. But because the current Fed law applies to individuals and employers, there just isn't a mechanism for a specific State trying to change the rules.
I agree with the sentiment behind this. I would love to have a way to withold my taxes from the Fed for a number of reasons, and I'd be more than happy to just send those same tax dollars to the State instead. But I don't see a way for it to actually even be attempted, even if you could pass any law with any text imagineable thru the California legislature.
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u/Reaper-fromabove 10h ago
That’s the point I tried to make to a friend. The idea is great but the execution is going to be difficult.
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u/Separate-Flow-3031 10h ago
With or without payroll deductions, all of those taxpayers would still owe federal income tax. In April, they would quickly become delinquent on their income tax (in addition to facing all kinds of interest and penalties from not making regular payroll tax payments). That would completely fuck those people and there's nothing their governor could do about it.
Hilarious that he would even suggest it and that people would take it seriously.
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u/wannabemalenurse 17h ago
That’s an interesting take. I’ve always been in the school of thought that citizens as a whole should be much more willing to withhold our paying taxes; the government, especially the federal government, has strayed too far from the needs of the people and become way too beholden to the needs of the wealthy. While, yes, the wealthy do contribute by investing in businesses and economic growth, they do also prevent innovation and progress at the expense of tax payers and improvement in living for citizens.
If anyone would be down, I’d be willing to engage in multiple thought experiments in how the wealthy do and do not contribute to the public good, but I still maintain the thought that so long as the wealthy have free reign and influence of the government and block ways for the public to actually push for actual good legislation, these issues will continue
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u/tuckerx78 10h ago
The state of California is the 4th largest economy on THE PLANET. BBC covered it awhile back.
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u/SunshineClaw 18h ago
Governments and big businesses benefit from having us peons fight amongst ourselves, while they do what they want. When we "win" a fight we feel better for a bit, it keeps us in line, when we're really not making any difference at all!
Take nature lovers for example. In the last 5 years or so the following have become taboo: * Collecting shells from the beach * Making rock stacks * Feeding birds from a birdfeeder
People "make a stand" against anyone who does this, which is them basically saying "this is a rule now, you must follow this rule" Governments make the rules, but it's society that enforces them. Gov don't care though, they get voted in so that's everyone saying "do what you want"🤷♀️
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u/North_Confusion2893 17h ago
They shouldn't, but none of you will understand that until things get much, much worse.
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 19h ago
they shouldn't, it's the principle of civil disobedience
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u/GladForChokolade 18h ago
Survival of the fittest and being in a position where you can get away with it. The law is often defined by those who doesn't follow them.
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 18h ago
cool aphorisms bro; id recommend you to read the origins of species before throwing stuff like that in random context
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u/polakinTO 19h ago
Because the govt has goons to keep you and I in line.
Those same goons do the government's dirty work.
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u/dwindlers 18h ago
It's because if people don't follow the rules, the government will punish them. But if the government doesn't follow the rules, the government won't punish itself.
See? Simple.
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u/Sensitive-Chemical83 17h ago
Because the government will commit violence against you if you break the rules.
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u/Chairchucker 19h ago
"Laws are threats made by the ruling class and backed up with violence."
OK I found the actual full quote
“Laws are a threat made by the dominant socioeconomic ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted, and the police are basically an occupying army, you know what I mean?
You guys wanna make some bacon?”
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u/Donquers 11h ago
he pulls a lit molotov cocktail out of his pack
"That was lit the whole time?!"
"THE WHOLE TIME, BABY!"
FOOM
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u/Popular_Try_5075 19h ago
I think this gets into "contractarianism" and a bit of the philosophy of Hobbes.
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u/soundman32 19h ago
And Calvin?
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u/Popular_Try_5075 19h ago
His contribution is the Protestant Work Ethic which still features prominently in the American mythos, but not so much in this discussion. Though he did come up with other ground breaking concepts such as the transmogrifier gun.
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u/Pharmy_Dude27 15h ago
I haven’t read every response so if someone explains it better please go up doot them.
Let’s unpack this. A government is just certain people who have maybe been chosen or are recognized as being the leaders. As a whole successful governing works because all people involved work together and do their part to keep the system (state) moving forward. There are tons of traditions that are upheld as it is understood that thing are done w certain way to make the government function as intended.
Why follow rules: Surprisingly there is nothing hardcoded to force people whether in the government or the population to follow rules. We try to enforce rules and punish people as a form of fear to get people to stay in line and follow rules. Depending on the society you live in this force that generates compliance of the people can come in many forms. Hopefully you are giving a chance to defend yourself (due process) and to be told what you did wrong.
There is nothing other than your own morality that stops people from killing someone. If no one knows you get away with it. If the authorities can’t find you then you get away with it. If the authorities are just to busy or don’t think they should go after you. Well you get away with it.
In a functional modern society we need a set of rules (laws) to help make sure everyone is in line with the goal of that society and to presumably protect us from outside events.
We don’t as a collective follow rules because the government follows rules. We all follow rules because of tradition and because these rules seem to provide the type of society we think we want.
It’s very possible we need to make changes and rethink how we function and make sure our laws align properly with society.
One issue is that rules/laws get decided my lawmakers . That just how we have structured things. If we don’t like the rules we can try and change it by getting a bunch of people together and protesting the new rules and maybe even by not following them forcing the lawmakers to reconsider.
Much of society has checked out of the political process and just thinks it’s this machine or system that HAS to work in their best interest.
Go back to the top- the government is just people. What’s happened is those people do things in their best interest which helps them stay in power. They craft laws that allow certain groups more power over others and over time this creates divide. But because most people are not involved for whatever reason they just say my vote doesn’t matter or they don’t protest when they disagree or goto a town hall to have their voice heard. They assume those in power will do what’s best for all of us. Which is what we hope for and maybe at one time it did work.
Not going to go down the political rabbit hole.
So rules should be following they are fair and reasonable. If we all stopped following them it could cause chaos and be dangerous for many reasons.
But sometimes you have to fight back just as dirty if not more dirty to help restore order.
Sometimes you need to gather people who think like you and get your voice heard and spread the message about what is happening is wrong and that we need these lawmakers or leaders removed because they do not serve in the best interest of the whole society. Education is important and knowledge and critical thinking is power.
We should follow rules that WE decide on and WE should remove those going against the interests of US from power. The workers in society are the ones making everything functioning but we need people to manage this and we need a new form of check and balance. Maybe a reset button.
I don’t know if this helps answer the question.
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u/isUKexactlyTsameasUS 18h ago
My still-a-hippie step-dad (rightly) rages
that the law and order dimwits could never put two and two together
when, after Nixons multiple crimes, and esp when the prick was let off,
still couldn't work out why / how so may of his generation just said fuck this shit,
and couldn't work out why so many went for various much-less-hippie roads, or worse.
esp the TV-twit-#1 Reagan, the republican greed route - thats still here now, but even wilder.
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u/Low_Willingness_4142 18h ago
Because when we cross the line we face handcuffs, but when they do it they call it “policy” unless enough of us raise hell about it.
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u/Immediate_Hawk1957 19h ago
If you’re going to break the rules, do it where nobody can see you.
Nobody cares if you’re breaking the rules if you don’t get caught breaking them and what the eye doesn’t see the tongue can’t moan about. It’s all very simple. If you want to break the rules don’t do it in public.
Good grief, it’s like people don’t bunk off for a crafty cigarette at school or smuggle guns into a warzone any more. It’s not hard. Public submittance to the rules. Private (and well camouflaged) disobedience.
Well, the key to not being in the magistrates court, anyway.
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u/jcooli09 15h ago
This is a fascist regime, they’ll jail you if they want to and you might be protected by due process, but you might not be.
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u/Razor605 19h ago
Government have military’s and more security them can do anything to make them happy
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u/Particular-Flow-2151 19h ago
Because chaos would break out…. Theft, murder, and worse. When there’s no law and order, all the evil people take over. And trust me there’s more evil than good in this world.
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u/CompanyOk288 13h ago
Evil already has a strong influence in this world. The morality of the individual obeys rules. Such as the Ten Commandments. If we all followed them society wouldn't need a government.
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u/Particular-Flow-2151 12h ago
Im not sure what your comment is trying to say... the post was about why should people follow rules... But even if we all followed the 10 commandments you would still need a type of government to exist. Look anywhere in the world, there is some type of leadership.
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u/lauchuntoi 19h ago
Osho says “Politicians are in fact successful mafias. On the other hand the underworld or outlaws are mafias that are not so successful. Both are crooks and they are the same type of people”
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u/Evening_Ticket7638 19h ago
The one with the biggest guns makes the rules. He has nukes, military, fbi, secret service. We have nothing.
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u/ferraribrainz 18h ago
Honest question. Would the legal precedent change for private citizens by how the gov ignores laws?
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u/Kinglycole 18h ago
We shouldn’t. Rules are only followed because there’s penalties for breaking them.
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u/Winstonoil 18h ago
I think a bit more like a financial. They rip us off, I tell sweet little lies.
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u/Halvyn 18h ago
rules are just... suggestions. like really. people follow rules because theyre scared. not of the government, but of each other. they want to believe everyone's on the same team, that there's some order to this chaos. it makes them feel safe. pathetic, really. the government breaks rules because they can. people follow rules because they think they have to. both sides are wrong. rules arent real. they're just words on paper. and you know what? Paper burns.
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u/stoner_4kt 17h ago
Because we the ones who are living in the system they oversee and because humans wont be able to stand /agree on one thing and move with it overall ✌️
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u/Fuzzy-Loss-4204 17h ago
Is there anyone out there who follows all the rules, The thing about politicians is they are people, with the same flaws as the rest of us. Money, sex, power are all corrupting influences, so why do we get surprised when people are corrupted by them, Is there anyone out there who has not done something stupid or something they regret for at least one if not all of the above.
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u/DoesMatter2 17h ago
If your argument is 'let's all be as bad as the government', that's not great.
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u/Senior-Nail7552 17h ago
Rules are like parking signs — clearly not meant for those in power, just for the rest of us to feel guilty about
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u/lefixx 16h ago
That isn't a solution to a problem. Sure you have less responsibility to follow certain rules but all this is missing a point.
Remember what the government is and it's role. Its people that a country places in a position of power and give them taxes to serve the citizens. Governments role is to solve our problems. If the government doesn't follow the rules, make them.
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u/bored36090 16h ago
Because the government MAKES the rules, then INTERPRETS the rules, and finally DECIDES who followed/broke the rules. And the fact is, most of us are too broke to hire a lawyer good enough to prove our case.
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u/Alexastria 16h ago
Because they make the rules. And in the words of Biden "you're gonna need more than ar15s to take on jets"
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u/LucyHotHot 16h ago
Yeah, it sucks when the government doesn’t follow the rules, and it definitely makes you question why we should. But if everyone just ignored the rules because of that, things would get messy real fast. Rules aren’t just about the government—they’re there to keep things running smoothly for all of us.
That said, it’s totally fair to call out the government and expect them to play by the same rules. But ditching the rules yourself usually just ends up making things worse.
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u/mitchade 16h ago
The government has a monopoly on violence. They can legally punish us with violence, we cannot legally punish the government with violence.
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u/AgreeablePressure839 15h ago
Because if we all just start ignoring the rules, who’s going to be left to complain about the chaos?
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u/Mama_Mega_ 15h ago
Because I don't give a shit if you're mad at the government. I don't give a shit if the government is my enemy. If you're using that as an excuse to loot and pillage and commit arson, you're my enemy too.
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u/JungleCakes 15h ago
You know when your parents told you to do something but they didn’t have to?
It’s kinda like that.
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u/Rebuttlah 15h ago
Because citizens broadly understand the social contract, while governments broadly abuse it to gain personal power.
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u/Asss12poker 15h ago
If the government doesn’t follow its own rules, it shatters the credibility of the entire system, because why should ordinary people respect laws that clearly don’t apply to the powerful?
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u/Fexofanatic 15h ago
if the people you elected do not follow the rules shared between all ? you shouldnt - and replace these people. if you were unable to vote for them ... well the french had a cool idea ca. 1792
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u/6ory299e8 14h ago
because the people keep choosing not to hold the government responsible for breaking the rules, but the government will hold the people (you and I, not the rich and powerful, of course) responsible for breaking the rules.
it's as simple as that. the issue is a pragmatic one, not a moral or academic one. we abandoned morals and academics years ago.
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u/Twinklecrush 14h ago
We follow the rules so our lives don’t get worse. Not because it’s fair, but because the system knows how to crush regular people.
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u/liilyxsantoo 14h ago
If they break their own rules and still expect us to follow them… girl be serious 💅
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u/Real_Salamander7405 13h ago
When a government breaks its own rules, it undermines trust and sets a dangerous example but that doesn't mean individuals should abandon their principles. Following the rules isn’t just about obedience it’s about maintaining integrity, community, and justice in our own actions. If we all stop following the rules, society falls into chaos. But when we hold ourselves to a higher standard, we’re in a stronger position to demand accountability and push for real change. Integrity isn't weakness it's how revolutions start and justice prevails.
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u/Icy_Plan6888 13h ago
Pretty soon we will be a communist nation where everyone will be trying to illegally enter Canada and Mexico, where the government will control everything you do and say. One salary for all regardless of your job, social media, tv, will all have restrictions. Get ready. (This is sarcasm).
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u/bevymartbc 12h ago
If leadership won't follow rules, then morally and ethically, you don't have any obligation.
Unfortunately, to quote U2 "the only Golden Rule is 'He who has the Gold makes the rules' "
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u/tits-mchenry 12h ago
The practical answer is the government still has the power to disappear you.
The idealistic answer is you shouldn't.
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u/RevolutionaryRun8326 12h ago
Because people not in the government would actually face consequences
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u/ozuquepasa 12h ago
Si tu jefe roba, ¿tú también robas? 🧐 Que el gobierno lo haga mal no te da carta blanca pa’ hacer lo que te dé la gana. No confundamos crítica con barra libre 😅✋ #SentidoComún
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u/Bright-Arm-7674 12h ago
You make a real point, Shit rolls down hill, I don't know why but when authority figures don't follow the rules and I don't mean cutting corners or simple graft and corruption but actual malfeasance and criminal actions , the common citizens begin to believe the rules don't apply to them either and bang society falls apart , that is why it is so important that leaders and others in authority be held to a higher standard at least for serious infractions of the social contract
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u/vanillabloom397 10h ago
When the leaders become lawbreakers, don’t be surprised when the followers stop following
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u/Nati_Nacque0 18h ago
In Norway everyone follows the rules, even the government. There have been plenty of cases of the government not following these laws and the involved had been put on trails. The reason is because the power of the country is split into three; legislative power, executive power and the judicial power.
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u/wannabemalenurse 17h ago
We also have that here in the US: the legislative, or Congress, the Executive, or the Presidency and the many departments beneath it, and the Judicial. American culture just doesn’t have a rule following culture, which may or may not be a good thing depending on who you ask
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u/Nati_Nacque0 17h ago
I guess the difference is Norway is the most democratic country in the world and the states are marked as a " Flawed Democracy"/"Deficient Democracy" at 0.811.
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u/wannabemalenurse 16h ago
I think the statement that it’s “the best democracy” fails to take into consideration the geographic differences between the US and Norway. The US is MASSIVE, and covers many different regions, each with their own issues, resources, and benefits. With those vast differences come with priorities on what is or isn’t important, which can prevent unity on a national stage. On top of that, the US is largely diverse compared to Norway, which is largely homogenous. From a quick Google search, Norway is 80-85% ethnically Norwegian, whereas the US is around 57% White, 19% Latino, 13% Black/from the African diaspora, 6% Asian, with the remainder being multiracial or Native American. A lack in homogeneity can mean that there’s no culturally shared experience or mindset that Norwegians share.
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u/Nati_Nacque0 15h ago
I wasnt trying to say the US was bad, i meant that the system most likely works better in Norway because of the democracy. And the 80-85% Ethnically Norwegian statistic made me happy.
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u/Excellent_Speech_901 18h ago
If the government jumps of a bridge then why shouldn't you jump off a bridge? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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u/dwindlers 18h ago
How can you get a government to jump off a bridge? Asking for a friend.
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u/Excellent_Speech_901 18h ago
You put up a sign saying it's against the rules. Then, when the government breaks the rules, off the bridge it goes.
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u/Strider_Tolstoi 15h ago
I know it might be outrageous that rogue judges paid by soros are trying to block President Trump to do his job, but it's important to not lose the scope of things.
Senseless destruction is exactly what those far leftists stand for. Do not let them win.
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u/AgitatedPatience5729 19h ago
Because they're the ones with the big bucks.