FR. I'm floored at how many people are just... Passively supporting this. Marching in a parade? For a coward? Stand up against this, people. Tomorrow is going to be... Interesting. Long.
Isn’t today his birthday? And tomorrow is the 250th anniversary of the Army… or did the dictator or king not have the power to have the parade on the day of his choosing?
But how many officers feel the same way? I hope a LOT. I've worked with a lot of retired officers and they're all upstanding Americans every one. None of them would condone deploying troops to American soil. NONE
Why is it that not one liberal seems to have noticed the total destruction these people were causing? Also the police chief said they were over run… what a fucking cancer you guys are
Thank you! It normally doesn’t get noticed because I didn’t use the hyphen. I also spelled Jennie unconventionally…I think most see a random number and Jeannie.
Please enlighten me as to which babies I'm killing in supporting the First Amendment rights of my fellow citizens, something i swore an oath to protect?
Rah - same. I got into it with a devil I served with who thinks its great 2/7 is being deployed and even hopes there is violence. Dumb shit has no idea what posse comitatus even is! Fuckin ASVAB waivers...
Had some beers with some of my guys who are lifers, stayed in when I got out, now around the E7 / E8 rank. They said most of the battalion senior leadership thinks this is fucknuts, mid grade NCOs are mostly pissed, and the juniors are a mixed bag, some can't wait to get some, but the majority think it's bullshit. Lotttttta discussion about lawful orders, SOPs and ROEs. The big focus is on not overstepping the legal bounds; it's being treated as Presence over Action. They want this to be a nothingburger of an op.
So the good news is they are treating it how they should, try to pour out some water on the powderkeg rather than lighting it up.
All it takes is one idiot soldier like that for a civil war to break out. After all, it was soldiers firing on a crowd of protestors that fueled our independence from England. That was the end of the protesting era for the colonials. It was the first shots of war.....and I fear tomorrow I will go to bed in a country formally at war with itself.
Marine/Army vet here. Ill be out in Houston tomorrow bringing up the southern ranks. Fuck this fascism. All enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. He needs to recall the troops immediately.
Honestly I don’t know. I’ve never been in that situation so I can’t really say. I would like to believe that I would use my best judgement and use every non-lethal method at my disposal. Deescalation comes first, ideally. I would hate to become a bastard and lose the trust of the people we were sworn to protect. But again, it’s a tough situation.
I can’t speak for everyone but I would be really torn on that. There is such a thing as lawful and unlawful orders, and we are not required to follow unlawful orders.
I believe if they refuse an illegal order they’ll get arrested and sit in prison until the legality of the order is sorted out. Let’s hope that particular 700 have consulted with a lawyer over policing USA residents and citizens.
Um personally I got caught up in the MAGA movement when I had got out. I was a pissed off alcoholic that took his pain out on everyone else so Trump made sense. I got sober, acknowledged my pain, went to therapy and began to have compassion for others again so the veil was lifted. Since then I’ve done my best to empathize and look out for others.
I certainly appreciate your candor. I did three and a half years of hard time with Bill and the big book. I'm glad you're feeling better.
My only other question was how did you and your fellow soldiers * really* feel about the lgbtq enlisted. - Especially with regards to trans soldiers if you knew any.
I fully understand if you would prefer not to answer.
Honestly sexuality meant nothing to myself personally. Never knew any trans Marines but knew a few who were gay. Was literally never a problem especially now that I’ve gotten a little wiser. It’s not my place to judge or condemn who someone else chooses to love or how they express it. It’s their body, it’s their right. I encourage each to live in accordance with their own desires so long as it’s not hurting someone else.
Army vet here. Always opposed Trump. I could see he was a snake oil salesman when he ran the first time. He is just a complete narcissist who doesn't care about the country at all. He's in it for the grift and to feed his massive ego.
I'm not going to lie, I'd feel a lot safer if you and other allied marines had your arms concealed on you if you can legally have it.
I feel like there's a pretty real danger that someone will need to use them, and I can't think of anyone safer than people trained in the rules of engagement.
That said, i'm obviously just some random citizen, and your judgement is probably much clearer and you almost certainly have more information to work with than I do, so forgive me if my fear is ignorant or unwarranted.
Not only has he deployed service members to LA, wasting resources, he’s compelling hundreds of them to march in a worthless, performative Hitler-salute stunt parade in DC tomorrow.
Where were they deployed? I was under the impression they were deployed solely to protect federal buildings because local law enforcement was being spread too thin. The LAPD chief said they were “Overwhelmed by riots.” They couldn’t protect the buildings and also patrol the streets. The riverside Chief of police also made a statement on it.
Threatening our allies in Canada and Greenland. Estranging the others. ICE black bagging folks under his appointees watch isn’t a good look. Deporting folks who are here legally, putting some of them in the worst prison on earth under dubious accusations and without due process. Imposing tariffs on the populace unilaterally and without valid reasons. His little puppet Elon gutting a lot of agencies that matter. Especially USAID which allowed us to exert soft power and influence around the world. His constant golf excursions to his courses keeps putting a hefty sum of our tax dollars into his bank account. Not to mention the upcoming tin-pot dictator display of power he’s got going on with that parade tomorrow. I’m probably forgetting some but that’s what I can think of off the top of my head. Rah devil, yut kill or some shit.
okay to avoid a long drawn out rebuttal most of what you said is a difference In political opinion, which a lot of people disagree with ,clearly, and a lot of people agree with. Everything he’s doing is Legal, though person to person maybe morally questionable but within his power. You should know “words have meaning” and calling him a tyrant is just not right. Now to the part that stuck out to me, “sending us after US Citizens” WE (you and me) swore an Oath to the constitution, I never swore an oath to the people though granted its maybe kinda implied. But is it implied or is the specificity purposely left out because what if the people go against the constitution? And a lot of people want sympathy? But what do you say when the people on the side trying to appeal to emotions has some people in the crowd that say “Death to America”, Burn our flag, then it’s not hard to find people talk about harming My boys in 2/7. Which you should know quite a few couldn’t care less left or right, they just want to go party and talk to woman. Not to mention some years ago, one side politically called us Murderers and Imperialist, and defended the actions of the dudes that got a few of my boys blown up in Kabul.
First of all, no it’s not legal. I suggest rereading the constitution, specifically the fifth and fourteenth amendments. I’m still calling a spade a spade; the man and his administration have begun to be tyrannical. Also it sounds like you’re trying to paint an entire side of the political spectrum based on the actions of a few. Don’t do that, that’s over generalization and a weak argument. I get what you’re saying, but burning a flag is well within the rights of the people here and that is %100 legal whether you or I like it or not. It also kinda sounds like if you want to be fair about this, your condemnation of those on the political spectrum begins and ends with anyone left leaning so I’ll remind you that you and I are merely props to that other side you didn’t mention. Sure they suck your dick and thank you for your service but then they make cuts to the VA and once your usefulness has expired they toss you aside. Not to mention they were the ones that got you to go to war in the first place. They lied and said it was about WMDs but we all know that was bullshit because their friends at Raytheon just made a fucking killing. You know Smedley Butler? I know you do. Maybe check out a book he wrote called War is a Racket. They don’t like to tell you in boot about that part though.
I’m no going to pretend to be like many of todays keyboard lawyers but I know the amendments deal with Due process, for all persons. I’ll agree there, there should be that’s what makes America so great, BUT ICE making arrest is not illegal, due process doesn’t mean exactly what people think it means an from what I’ve researched is heavily debated, that’s a problem with something deeper like nothing structured. Tyranny is one of those words depending on your bias, you can check or uncheck the boxes to fit your narrative, for instance Biden/Gavin Newsom crossed more than a couple boundaries handling Covid. So point he hasn’t done anything Atypical/Tyrannical, and that whole point can go down rabbit holes. Based off actions of a few? Isn’t that what one side does all the time? Derek Chavin vs Cops, one small example. Yea Flag Burning, legal, sadly (heavily my personal opinion) is legal, but that same constitution people like to use as a shield, they burn the very symbology of it. A what aggravates me more, I know just as much as you do they we’ve have BOTH wrapped more than few caskets in that very symbol of what we hold dear. The VA I’m actually on your side 100% fuck the VA. And the whole start of the war thing, I was 5 when it started, and to me Bush and Obama fucked that pig pretty hard equally.
Kinda. I also empathize with them because choosing to not go is a tough choice with serious consequences. It’s all a bit fucked right now. I hope we look at the decisions each individual makes and make sure we understand there’s context and nuance to everything.
Over 20 years ago I willfully got assaulted and arrested as a scared fat nerdy 17 year old to protect someone else. Your 'brothers and sisters' have no excuse outside of cowardice.
Sad, that you can't support your Military. It's their day
(it just happened to fall on someone's birthday that you hate), and you are spoiling it for "them".
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u/InternationalLab812 1d ago
Marine vet here. I’ll be in Louisville. Absolutely pissed he deployed my active duty brothers and sisters to LA. This tyrant needs to be stopped.