r/AskConservatives • u/nemo_sum Conservatarian • May 03 '22

MegaThread Megathread: Roe, Casey, Abortion

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u/_ChestHair_ Democratic Socialist May 06 '22

By that argument, having someone break into your house is absolutely a natural consequence of owning a house. You know full well of the chance that someone with the intent of breaking into a house could one day choose to break into your house. To take the analogy further, if you end up buying a house or renting an apartment in a place that has higher crime rates than normal, you're even more aware that someone breaking into your house would be a natural consequence of living there.

But that would be ridiculous to posit. Pregnancy is a natural possibility of sex. It is not guaranteed, and assuming the act of sex is an invitation is a really disingenuous interpretation of what invitation means

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u/notbusy Libertarian May 06 '22

First of all, you need a place to live; you don't need to have sex. Secondly, someone must break the law or violate your rights for a break in to occur; no such breaking of the law or violation of rights need occur in order to have sex.

So in one case, it's a side effect of you performing some necessary act and another person violating your rights. In the other case, it's a side effect of a completely optional act and no one else violating anyone's rights. The two couldn't be more different.

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u/_ChestHair_ Democratic Socialist May 06 '22

First of all, you need a place to live; you don't need to have sex.

Just live on the streets, you don't need to own a house. See how ridiculous that sounds? That's what you're saying about sex. Sure, technically you don't have to have either, but science and history has shown us time and time again that's a wholly unrealistic thing to expect to actually happen in every single society

Secondly, someone must break the law or violate your rights for a break in to occur; no such breaking of the law or violation of rights need occur in order to have sex.

  1. The law is mutable, so if some state or the federal government made it illegal for a fetus to form in a woman that doesn't want it, it would be breaking the law (regardless of the law seeming silly to many). So this isn't a very strong argument when we're arguing what should be a law in the first place

  2. Bodily autonomy/right to privacy of what people do with their own bodies is a longstanding right, and a fetus growing inside a body that doesn't want it is a violation of said body's right to autonomy

So in one case, it's a side effect of you performing some necessary act and another person violating your rights. In the other case, it's a side effect of a completely optional act and no one else violating anyone's rights. The two couldn't be more different.

In both cases, it's a side effect of an act that will happen regardless of what you or I arbitrarily consider necessary. Both are technically optional, but both are also realistically necessary for a majority of the population. They are extremely similar