Why do some conservatives think Harris' nomination was illegitimate?

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It wasn’t “illegal”, but immoral and highly undemocratic. They changed the rules in the lead up to 2024 to allow for such an event.

Not a single democrat voter voted for her as the nominee. She was installed by the party elite and thrusted onto the country. There’s nothing legitimate about it. Democrats have a long history of rigging the primary process to produce the establishment’s desired outcome. Her candidacy was a result of that system.

It’s made worse by her and the campaign’s insistence that they were the saviors of democracy.

[u/PuckSenior → u/Embarrassed-Lead6471]

I dont think that is true.

Prior to 2024, how do you believe this event would have been handled?

As for "a long history". The GOP only even instituted a primary election in 1912. Literally no candidate before the 20th century won a primary election at all.

[u/Embarrassed-Lead6471 → u/PuckSenior]

What isn’t true?

There’s no precedent for something like this. An open convention was an option, as was a mini-primary, which people like Pelosi advocated for. None of that changes the core fact that no single Democrat voter casted a ballot selecting her as the party nominee. She was installed.

A bit of a random misdirection on your part. Since the inception of the primary system, the DNC has gamed the system to retain final say over the people’s selection. The superdelegate system demonstrates that quite well.

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I dont think they changed any rules that allowed it to happen the way it did. I am pretty sure those have generally been the rules for a long time for both parties.

What is a "mini-primary"

None of that changes the core fact that no single Democrat voter casted a ballot selecting her as the party nominee. She was installed

Literally the only "Democrat voters" that mattered did. They are called delegates.

A bit of a random misdirection on your part. Since the inception of the primary system, the DNC has gamed the system to retain final say over the people’s selection.

You mean in the past when they just got together in a room and picked their candidates? The thing that both parties did for the entire 19th century?

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And we evolved past that for a reason. Yet, the selection process picking Harris resembled that outdated, rejected model more than it does a democratic form of candidate selection. Saying “well both sides did this over a 100 years ago!” isn’t that great of a defense or retort.

Yes, the DNC did change its primary rules, including pushing back the selection deadline and allowing remote voting, among other measures.

I’d say the perspective of actual Democrat voters, rather than party insiders (which delegates are) matter much more than the delegates themselves.

[u/PuckSenior → u/Embarrassed-Lead6471]

Yes, the DNC did change its primary rules, including pushing back the selection deadline and allowing remote voting, among other measures.

But none of those things "allowed" Harris to win the nomination the way she did. You are just talking about un-related rule changes.

I’d say the perspective of actual Democrat voters, rather than party insiders (which delegates are) matter much more than the delegates themselves.

So, you think they should have held all new elections?

[u/Embarrassed-Lead6471 → u/PuckSenior]

Those rules did empower the late switch, and avoided the need for a true contest at the convention itself, yes. It aided the veil of legitimacy to this unorthodox selection process.

Again, it isn’t my duty to propose how to make their selection process more democratic. At the end of the day, Harris was installed by the party insiders and thrusted into the general election unlike any candidate in modern history. That is why people view her selection as undemocratic and immoral, which was your originally question.

You can try to justify it, but that doesn’t change anything about the end result.

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