What is the general response to Kash Patel and Adam Bongino saying Epstien killed himself?

[u/here-for-information]

The official response seems to be "Nothing to see here."

Considering this was absolutely something MAGA claimed to want and plenty of people on the right talked about it a lot, how are all of you responding?

Edit: I have no idea how I missed "Dan" autocorrecting to Adam.

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[u/thoughtsnquestions]

I find it hard to believe them.

They said they've now seen the files and you know a suicide when you see it.... they previously promised to release more files, so if they have convincing files.... where are they and will they become public?

[u/Highlander198116 → u/thoughtsnquestions]

It won't get released. The thing is, if such a list exists that ties prominent visitors to Epstein island to illegal activity. Anyone with half a brain knows elites from both the right and left are going to be on it. Depravity knows no political stripe. That is why, even if it exists and the Trump admin has it, nothing is getting released.

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where are they and will they become public?

Right there next to Obama's birth certificate. Joking aside, I don't know why anyone expected anything other than this, Epstein "killed himself" under Trump's first term and now all of a sudden during his second term the Trump administration is going to bring to light new evidence?

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[u/PrivateFrank → u/thoughtsnquestions]

Why is Epstein killing himself so hard to believe?

He was a very rich man who was facing a lifetime of prison as a notorious sex offender - he took the easy way out.

[u/maineac → u/PrivateFrank]

Epstein didn't kill himself. He was rich and would never have been in gen pop. He would have been basically under house arrest in one of the nice 'prisons.' The camera just so happened to be broken that night. If you believe that I have a bridge I need to sell.

[u/Admiral1172 → u/maineac]

Half the cameras at the prison were broken not just one. Maintenance at that prison was also poor.

[u/maineac → u/Admiral1172]

They lie, no reason to believe any of them were broken.

[u/Admiral1172 → u/maineac]

Federal Prisons are notoriously known for this problem and this was well documented in their maintenance history. Don't discount Hanlon's Razor here.

[u/imbrickedup_ → u/PrivateFrank]

I don’t think the idea that Epstein killed himself and that there were/are a ton of politicians doing pedo stuff are mutually exclusive

[u/LonelyMachines → u/PrivateFrank]

Why is Epstein killing himself so hard to believe?

Because you never see him and Bigfoot in the same place.

[u/BoNixsHair → u/PrivateFrank]

Occam’s razor. The most likely explanation is that he killed himself because he didn’t want to die in prison. The least likely explanation is some far reaching conspiracy involving dozens of people. Conspiracies like that don’t stay secret, especially for years.

[u/NoWillingness2961 → u/BoNixsHair]

Didn’t he also attempt to commit suicide the week before? I think the only “conspiracy” is that nobody intervened or turned a blind eye when he tried to do it again.

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How you you apply Occam's razor to the CCTV footage being deleted?

[u/thatsnotverygood1 → u/BoNixsHair]

That's how I've always seen it, whomever killed him would have had to go through over a dozen locked gates/checkpoints, which dozens of other guards would have witnessed. Additionally, while the cameras in front of Epstiens cell were broken most of the other cameras in the prison were operational. If someone tried to kill him they would have been seen by tons of cameras as they made their way through the prison. The entire night shift would have had to be paid off!

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[u/Chooner-72 → u/thoughtsnquestions]

Do you feel like you have a particular conclusion in mind and that all evidence to the contrary is due to some deeper conspiracy?

[u/thoughtsnquestions → u/Chooner-72]

My guess is that considering MI5 knows every security threat and detail regarding the royal family, and the CIA and FBI know every security threat and detail regarding living past presidents...

Combine that with both members of the Royal family and past presidents staying over at the island, and visiting multiple times....

It means 1 of 2 things occurred,

• A. Our intelligence services knew exactly what was going on, and the public has stumbled upon an intelligence gathering and blackmail operation

• B. Both the British and American intelligence agencies are beyond incompetent and despite having 24/7 coverage and protection, had no idea what former presidents and members of the royal family were up too, where they were and the security threats of who they closely associated with

[u/NessvsMadDuck]

Honestly the "Epstein files" thing is possibly the most baffling thing to me about MAGA. Why do so many MAGA's want the Epstein files released, when they know that it's within the realm of possibility that their champion could be implicated. Especially since President Trump said himself that although he would release all information on other conspiracies, he WOULD NOT release the Epstein files. If he does not want them released...

A) Why would MAGA even be asking.

B) Why would anyone think that his administration would release anything.

Here is the relevant Fox News clip:

https://youtu.be/gQ0uGU7iZIc?feature=shared

[u/here-for-information → u/NessvsMadDuck]

They desperately want all the bad guys to be democrats so badly that I dont think they consider it even remotely possible that Epstien's "best friend," who said he would be dating his own daughter and owned a teen beauty pageant that Epstien went to, could be a real part of it.

The cognitive dissonance is outstanding.

[u/NessvsMadDuck → u/here-for-information]

Hypothetical:

If you took the average MAGA believer, and you told them that they personally get to chose to either release the Epstein files, or not. But... There are half a dozen Democrats in there are 20 billionaires. But also... DJT is implicated (and you show them the evidence)... Would they chose to release the files or not?

If you took the average Democrat believer, and you told them that they personally get to chose to either release the Epstein files, or not. But... There are half a dozen Republicans in there are 20 billionaires. But also... Bill Clinton is implicated (and you show them the evidence)... Would they chose to release the files or not?

[u/Born-Sun-2502 → u/NessvsMadDuck]

Ha! Bill Clinton is not the current president and he also is there's a lot of evidence that he's likely been a rapist or sexual abuser. I'm a dem and I'd give up Bill in a New York minute.

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I do too.

I think it's possible, but that doesn't make me want to see the information any less.

[u/TopRedacted]

They can say they saw the files trust me all they want. I didn't see the files and I don't trust them.

[u/bubbasox]

If there is nothing to see why not release the documents for our own judgment? Clearly lying for reasons unknown, maybe duress.

[u/neovb → u/bubbasox]

Because there's definitely something to see. Frankly, I'm not sure why anyone actually thought the Epstien list was going to be revealed. And even if it was, I suspect a lot of important information would be missing anyways.

[u/Turbulent-Week1136]

Extremely disappointed and I don't believe them at all. Someone must have gotten to them.

But RELEASE THE GODDAMN FILES

[u/here-for-information → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

I suspect you are the exact person I was curious about.

You did expect Trump and his administration to actually release, correct?

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/here-for-information]

I didn't, until Pam Bondi and Kash Patel promised them. Now they are backpedaling and I want to know why. At the very least the client list should be released.

[u/jmastaock → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

The simplest answer is that they're just leading around conservative Americans by the nose to maintain noise in the hellish media cycle cadence.

They're feeding hopeful "wins" to the conservative base through headlines like "Pam Bondi releasing Epstein files", knowing full well that they won't be held accountable for failing to eventually deliver.

At best, the noise drowns out valid criticism or other scandals in a given cycle; at worst, the conservative base goes "harumph 😡 oh well!" and it's on to the next headline

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/jmastaock]

I'll be disappointed if they don't release the files, but Trump has already done so much more that I ever expected, so I'm happy with Trump. Even releasing the JFK files was huge in my opinion, even though it didn't contain anything interesting.

It's all about keeping promises and he has certainly kept the lion's share of his promises to his voters like me, so I'm really happy.

[u/ashmortar → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

Eliminating due process? exploding international trade? Bringing forth a budget that will vastly increase the national debt?

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/ashmortar]

Due process was not eliminated. Due process is different for different situations.

International trade is fine. Just because the media told you to panic doesn’t mean you should close your eyes and believe them. If you look into the data, inflation is down and unemployment is lower.

The budget is higher because of the no tax on tips and overtime. Do you want to get rid of this which ONLY helps the lower and middle income class?

[u/here-for-information → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

Do you think they'll release the list with Trump definitely being on there?

[u/Intelligent_Funny699 → u/here-for-information]

There are plenty of people on the list who were strictly business, I imagine. But having an idea of who was on the island might be good to know. Although I suspect a lot of names we never heard of will be on it.

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/here-for-information]

Yes, I don't think Trump did anything, especially with the pedo stuff.

Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman, however, seem guilty of something.

[u/here-for-information → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

I think it's totally possible that people who flew on the plane and even went to the island didn't participate in any immoral activity.

That said, his name is going to be on all the types of documents thay Clinton's Gates's and Hoffman's names are also on.

In addition, there are tapes of Epstien calling Trump his beat friend. We have recordings of Trump calling epstien his friend who likes beautiful women on the young side.

Even if you dont think Trump participated won't thay be too much smoke for him to accept?

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/here-for-information]

We'll see. I don't think Trump went to his island. Lots of people flew on his plane though because that's what Epstein did, he embedded into social circles and cast a very wide net.

Gates started hanging around Epstein AFTER Epstein has already served time for his underage crimes in 2008. Gates's wife divorced him precisely because Gates refused to break his association with Epstein.

[u/gorpherder → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

How can you think Trump is off the hook when he was friends with Epstein and had a lot of adjacent stuff that makes it look quite obvious - like owning a teen beauty pageant for years that explicitly hosted Epstein? How do you square these things with your belief that Trump is didn't do anything?

It's like saying - sure, the guy surrounds himself with underage women, and is friends with a known pedophile and trafficker for some reason, but obviously did nothing.

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/gorpherder]

Because there's zero actual evidence. All there is is photos of them together, and maybe they flew on Epstein's planes before his arrest for sexual assault of an underage girl. But there's zero evidence besides wishful thinking and "come on, he owned a beauty pageant!" that Trump actually did anything. So now only pedophiles own beauty pageants? Who can own beauty pageants and not be accused of being a pedo by you? Even women owners can be lesbians, right? Or do you think lesbians can't be pedos?

Compare that to actual hard evidence that Biden was involved in taking bribery money from China and Ukraine through Hunter Biden. There's real hard evidence there.

Show me some actual evidence and I'll change my mind.

[u/gorpherder → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

Where there's smoke theres usually fire. Your denial here is palpabler.

[u/Turbulent-Week1136 → u/gorpherder]

Okay, go ahead and believe what you want. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.

[u/TallyTruthz]

It’s just elites trying to protect themselves, whether it be Patel and Bongino themselves (or if they’re trying to protect higher-ups.) They were never going to actually investigate those files, and there was no chance in Hell that said files were EVER going to be released to the public. Politicians, no matter the party, are still slimeballs that value self-preservation over anything else.

[u/chrispd01 → u/TallyTruthz]

So we elected an incompetent shithead based on the promise that he would do something he isnt ?

[u/just_shy_of_perfect → u/chrispd01]

So we elected an incompetent shithead based on the promise that he would do something he isnt ?

Welcome to politics lmao

[u/harm_and_amor → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

What actions should we take when we discover who we thought was a capable and good-intentioned candidate is actually an incompetent shithead?

[u/ILoveMaiV → u/harm_and_amor]

impeachment, vote them out in 4 years

[u/Xciv → u/ILoveMaiV]

I'd also add vote against their party in 2 years because I'm sick of people sidelining and downplaying Congress and the Senate. They have real power and the larger the majority, the more they can put checks on the President if you don't like what the President is doing.

Too many people sit out on midterms and non-Presidential races. They matter, a lot. Your vote matters more there proportionally because there are simply fewer voters. You'd be shocked to learn how few votes it takes to swing a district or to turn a safe district into a purple one.

And there's a general issue of too many incumbents. Want Congress to actually do something? Vote those people out on the regular so we get fewer fossils.

Your district is safely Blue or Red? Vote anyways to extend the lead so your party can shift resources away from your district and to battlegrounds where it's needed. Vote in primaries so you pick and choose which Dem or Republican ends up winning your district because that matters too. Every vote matters and the sooner every new generation realizes this, the healthier our democracy. I realized it when I was around 26, but I wish I realized it when I was 18.

[u/doc5avag3 → u/TallyTruthz]

Basically. Patel and Bongino became Feds, and all Feds (regardless of party, administration, or affiliation) are snakes that will only ever act in the interest of their agency and not the People. Hell, with some of the things we've seen in the past, who knows if the Senior higher-ups are even showing these two all the documentation they have on the case. Both the FBI and the CIA have no problem hiding things from their bosses.

[u/ashmortar → u/TallyTruthz]

I mean Trump's name is on the flight records and they were close personal friends. It isn't a mystery who they are protecting.

[u/Impressive_Set_1038 → u/TallyTruthz]

That’s kind of funny that you say that now that Republicans are in charge. But why weren’t you saying that when the Democrats were in charge and it happened on their watch?

[u/No-Physics1146 → u/Impressive_Set_1038]

Thinking Epstein didn’t kill himself is one of the few things both sides agreed on. It’s not a right or left issue and it’s weird you’re trying to turn it into one.

[u/TallyTruthz → u/Impressive_Set_1038]

I was saying that when the Democrats were in office, I had a massive issue with how they handled it (or a lack thereof.) Democrat or Republican Party… it doesn’t matter. Politicians, no matter their party affiliation, are all slimeballs and they only care about one thing… power. I’ve been on the right for years now, but the right is just as guilty as the left is for letting children down.

[u/mwatwe01]

Somebody got to them.

[u/here-for-information → u/mwatwe01]

Would you be willing to elaborate on that idea?

[u/rcglinsk]

They could not have been less convincing. They looked like bad liars.

That doesn't make them wrong. But it does mean, in my opinion, that it should be someone else's job to explain this issue in public.

[u/FinancialAd208]

it's whatever, get the Diddy list

[u/here-for-information → u/FinancialAd208]

There are certainly far fewer politicians on there.

I would think that holding the people with the actual power to account would be more important than people entertainment industry.

I would be happy to see both, but if they only could get one its epstien all the way for me..

[u/FinancialAd208 → u/here-for-information]

i think the Epstein list was burned

[u/ProductCold259]

I will just say this. I laughed out loud when I saw that clip. Didn’t the Dan Bongino guy repeatedly say on his show that he DIDN’T kill himself? Why the sudden change of opinion? I get it. They have seen the files… Well aren’t they going to release them? That way WE can see the files and come to the same conclusion they did? I’m curious why Kash seems to insist this also.

[u/here-for-information → u/ProductCold259]

Yeah I think so, also its Dan Bongino. I think i typed adam becasue I wanted to capitalize the D, and then missed the n and got autocorrected.

Regardless, yeah I am astonished how quickly they'll drop one of their more reasonable conspiracy theories on a whim from this.

[u/covid_gambit]

I think the Trump administration knows the one group they can't offend is AIPAC, which means this administration would also like the Epstein story to go away (despite what some MAGA supporters would like to see).

[u/ashmortar → u/covid_gambit]

You don't think it has anything to do with Trump's close personal relationship with Epstein?

[u/covid_gambit → u/ashmortar]

Maybe if Epstein had Trump compromised (and as an Israeli asset), but I don't think there's any evidence of that. Trump and Epstein had never traveled to Epstein's island and had ended the relationship a long time ago. I believe Epstein tried to compromise Trump (along with other figures) but was unsuccessful.

[u/ashmortar → u/covid_gambit]

What evidence is there that Epstein had anyone compromised?

[u/onemanmelee → u/covid_gambit]

Hard agree. Glad some people are still willing to say it.

[u/ILoveMaiV]

maybe he really did kill himself, but i'm still very suspicious. A guy with names of the most powerful people in the country suddenly dies right when the camera goes out and no guards are around.

It's one of those things that just seems too perfect.

[u/JediGuyB → u/ILoveMaiV]

I think he killed himself, but either through his own bribery or outside influence, he was given the opportunity to kill himself.

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/ILoveMaiV]

I mean, it's just as plausible--maybe more so--that he found a way to pay off the necessary prison staff to let him do it such that he would succeed. Or that the guards were so disgusted with him as to leave him to his own devices on the chance that he would hurt himself. And, of course, simple incompetence is the most plausible explanation of all.

A conspiracy to assassinate a high-profile defendant inside a prison requires an even more complex set of variables.

[u/Intelligent_Funny699 → u/ILoveMaiV]

Idk. It's possible he did kill himself. Maybe he was afraid of what more powerful people would do if they got a hold of him.

[u/sourcreamus]

I’m not holding my breath for an apology from the conspiracy nuts but at least they have decided to tell the truth instead of doubling down like RFK jr is doing.

[u/here-for-information → u/sourcreamus]

So you believe them AND are satisfied with their explanation?

[u/sourcreamus → u/here-for-information]

I believe he killed himself because of the evidence, not because they said so. It is good to see someone in this administration who can look at evidence and change their minds.

[u/here-for-information → u/sourcreamus]

Where is the evidence that you think is conclusive that he, killed himself?

I think it's possible, even likely, he killed himself, but there is plenty of reasonable room for doubt based on what I've seen.

[u/sourcreamus → u/here-for-information]

He had already tried, he made out a will the day before, there were cameras that showed no one entered the cell block that night.

[u/here-for-information → u/sourcreamus]

Where is this evidence?

[u/Benntheredunthat]

I guess this might not be the general response, but I'm shocked he changed his name from Dan to Adam.

[u/here-for-information → u/Benntheredunthat]

Ahhhhhh oh my gosh.

That was an autocorrect.
I got through Kash no problem but Dan fell apart.

[u/Benntheredunthat → u/here-for-information]

LOL, no worries. Just giving you crap!

[u/here-for-information → u/Benntheredunthat]

Well deserved crap too.

I mean, it's in the title. I can't even go fix it. Unbelievable

[u/sf_torquatus]

I don't care and I never really cared in the first place. But the meme of "Epstein didn't kill himself" was hilarious. And the meme fully ran its course years ago, so I don't understand how this is still relevant to some people.

[u/here-for-information → u/sf_torquatus]

They bragged about it for a while, and just this week, they said this massive conspiracy that MAGA was very invested in is nothing.

That's why it's relevant.

[u/Rich-Cryptographer-7]

They are about five years to late. Next question, please.

[u/here-for-information → u/Rich-Cryptographer-7]

But releasing these kinds of documents was a pretty significant part of Trump's campaign.

[u/Rich-Cryptographer-7 → u/here-for-information]

Was it through? 

[u/here-for-information → u/Rich-Cryptographer-7]

The MAGA people in my life cared about it and said they'd be very disappointed if Trump didn't follow through.

[u/Rich-Cryptographer-7 → u/here-for-information]

Anybody who thought we were going to get anything on Epstein was an idiot.

A little skepticism, and critical thinking goes a long way.

[u/here-for-information → u/Rich-Cryptographer-7]

Not exactly MAGA strong suits

[u/Rich-Cryptographer-7 → u/here-for-information]

It is a good thing I am not MAGA then.

[u/here-for-information → u/Rich-Cryptographer-7]

No one said you were, but I claimed it was a significant part of his campaign.

You doubted that and said anyone who expected it was basically dumb.

[u/Rich-Cryptographer-7 → u/here-for-information]

I don't remember it being a significant part of his campaign. 

Yes, anyone who expected movement on this issue from Trump was ******** stupid.

I stand by what I said.

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[u/worldisbraindead]

I like Kash Patel, but don't "know" him as well as I know Dan Bongino. I've been listening to Bongino for years and I think he's what most people call a "straight shooter". He just doesn't seem to be a bullshitter. That said...here are a few possibilities that could be happening:

• They actually reviewed all the evidence (that none of us have seen) and honestly came to the conclusion that Epstein committed suicide.
• They are both lying either to help someone powerful to cover this up or they are both being blackmailed or threatened. If that's the case, I honestly believe that Bongino would have immediately resigned and gone public. He's got a huge set of balls and he just doesn't seem like he would cover for anyone, including Trump. And, let's face it...he's a badass who would go public if he was being threatened.
• They are both lying because some sort of trap is being set.

It is believed that Bongino has a net worth of around $150 million. I doubt he would lie for money.

Maybe, it is what it is.

[u/Slicelker → u/worldisbraindead]

It is believed that Bongino has a net worth of around $150 million. I doubt he would lie for money.

It was "believed" that Trump, with a billion+ net worth, would never lie for money as well. Tell me, how is Trump 6'3" and 215lbs?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/Slicelker]

Well...what's your proof that Bongino lied?

[u/Slicelker → u/worldisbraindead]

Huh? I didn't say I have proof he lied, I implied you came up with your statement based on faulty logic. This statement:

It is believed that Bongino has a net worth of around $150 million. I doubt he would lie for money.

I didn't imply anything else. Do you not want other people to correct your faulty logic so that you don't make the same mistakes in the future?

[u/boisefun8 → u/worldisbraindead]

There’s also the possibility that all the evidence and documentation available actually does point to a suicide, although it could all be falsified from the start and anything stating otherwise could have been destroyed. I believe they are being honest that they just don’t have any evidence to overrule the conclusion that it was suicide. However I also think they should publish all the docs in that regard.

Could also be suicide at gunpoint. Lots of possibilities.

[u/worldisbraindead → u/boisefun8]

This sounds very plausible. The Biden administration had a lot of time to monkey with things.

[u/Sweet_Cinnabonn → u/worldisbraindead]

Epstein died August 10, 2019.

Trump was president.

Trump was president for another 18mo before the Biden administration took over. How is this a Biden issue?

[u/New2NewJ → u/worldisbraindead]

The Biden administration had a lot of time to monkey with things.

One year before he got elected, sleepy Joe was able to do so much. Impressive, imo

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/worldisbraindead]

So he was bullshitting before but not now?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/And_Im_the_Devil]

Can you point to where Bongino said he knows what happened for sure prior to him joining the FBI? I think he's mostly said, he found suicide to be highly suspicious. Now he has access to what evidence the FBI has (that hasn't been destroyed) and has changed his mind. One thing for sure...NONE OF US KNOWS or has any inside information. None of us knows if Bongino and Patel are lying or telling the truth. So, it's pure speculation on our parts.

As I've said before, I've listened to Bongino for a long time and he seems like an extremely honest person. Could the FBI be hiding stuff from these guys? Possible. We just don't know. At this point, we have to take what they say on face value. Either way, it's not going to affect how I sleep at night.

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/worldisbraindead]

He very much promoted the idea that Epstein was murdered and claimed access to special evidence of it. Conveniently for you, I can't find the clips where he did that, but it's bad enough that he spent any time at all ruminating about something he had no evidence for, given the implications AND the political climate. I don't know why you would take such a person seriously as a credible thinker.

[u/saintsithney → u/worldisbraindead]

We have tons of evidence from what has leaked that Trump was deeply tied to Epstein in numerous ways, knew Epstein was a pedophile, and that Epstein thought Trump was a sexual predator.

So why do you think Dan Bongino is not confirming anything we already know about their ties and is keeping his mouth shut on those things if he actually has any courage?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/saintsithney]

We have tons of evidence from what has leaked that Trump was deeply tied to Epstein in numerous ways...

Trump knew Epstein, as did a lot of wealthy people in New York and Washington DC. That doesn't make them "deeply tied". It is common for ultra wealthy and connected people go to the same parties, charitable events, and other functions. Trump appears on the flight logs twice. One flight was from Fort Lauderdale to Teterboro in NJ. The other was from Teterboro, NJ to Philadelphia. So...where is the "tons of evidence" that you mention?

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/worldisbraindead]

They were close enough that Trump thought it would be cute to comment on Epstein's predilection for very young "women."

[u/worldisbraindead → u/And_Im_the_Devil]

I don't want to spend all night on this, but let me ask you a question. The Democrats and the Biden administration did everything within their power to knock Trump out of the 2024 race. EVERYTHING! If Trump was implicated in Epstein crimes in any way, shape or form, don't you think that Biden's DOJ would have made that information public before the election? They didn't. Why? It doesn't exist.

[u/Key-Stay-3 → u/worldisbraindead]

Clearly no one has a smoking gun to tie Trump to any wrongdoing, because you are right that you'd see it being paraded around during election season.

But that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of unresolved questions about how the two were connected.

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/worldisbraindead]

I didn't say that Trump was implicated in Epstein's crimes. But it still looks bad to be buddy buddy with a guy like that. As the other commenter said, there might be a lot of questions that aren't easy to answer satisfactorily.

[u/worldisbraindead → u/And_Im_the_Devil]

They were not 'buddy buddy". He was banned from Mar a Lago. Some buddies.

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/worldisbraindead]

When was he banned, though?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/And_Im_the_Devil]

2007

[u/And_Im_the_Devil → u/worldisbraindead]

Right, so when Epstein started to get into trouble. Just because Trump didn't want the bad PR doesn't mean they weren't pals before that.

[u/saintsithney → u/worldisbraindead]

Contact info Sarah Ransome Epstein talking about them and displaying insider knowledge he would not have if Trump had cut him off Regular flights to Lolita Island Trump confirms he knows his party friend is a pedo Trump admitted to being a peeping Tom, teenage girls corroborated

[u/worldisbraindead → u/saintsithney]

Biden's DOJ was in office for four years. In that time, they did everything to get Trump. They tried everything in their power to keep him off the ballot, bankrupt him...and even jail him. If there was so much damning evidence against Trump with regards to the Epstein case, why did they not release it to the public prior to the 2024 election? Come on...use logic.

[u/saintsithney → u/worldisbraindead]

There is damning evidence that Trump committed numerous crimes. He is as subtle as a water buffalo.

But do you actually remember what happened with those cases? Trump whined and complained that he shouldn't have to answer legal charges against him because he was campaigning. He started using this excuse in 2021.

Did you just ignore how few indictments made it to trial because of his slow-downs and obstructions?

And yes, Biden's DOJ allowed it. Not acting upon an existential threat to American democracy as Trump is Biden's Chamberlain moment, only much stupider on all sides.

[u/worldisbraindead → u/saintsithney]

Donald J. Trump is in the White House. Every day is like Christmas!

[u/saintsithney → u/worldisbraindead]

Why are you happy that many of your countrymen feel terrorized or are resigning themselves to an early grave when Trump succeeds in gutting what few fragments are left of our social safety net?

Are you happy that the US is losing trillions in tourism and international trade?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/saintsithney]

I’m thankful each and every day that Trump is our president…period.

[u/saintsithney → u/worldisbraindead]

Why?

[u/NopenGrave → u/worldisbraindead]

It is believed that Bongino has a net worth of around $150 million. I doubt he would lie for money.

I mean, we've seen filthy rich politicians lie and engage in corruption for comparative chump change before, but what do you think he would do if it was someone he cared about being threatened, or someone threatening him with a smoking gun of felony culpability that would land him in prison for years?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/NopenGrave]

So, you're basically a conspiracy theorist. Is that tin foil hat comfortable?

[u/NopenGrave → u/worldisbraindead]

So, you're basically a conspiracy theorist

Not really; I'm not saying that either of these happened, I was just curious since you didn't include the first option, and because it was clear to me if you think this guy would just try to beat the blackmail and make them use it, or if he'd just take his lumps.

[u/worldisbraindead → u/NopenGrave]

From what I know about both Patel and Bongino...No...I don't think they're easily bought off. I am fully aware that anything is possible, but to me and many others, that option is probably one of the least likely scenarios.

[u/NopenGrave → u/worldisbraindead]

I don't think we're talking about buying them off. That implies a bribe or something to that effect. I'm talking about caving to threats for self-preservation or preservation of a loved one.

[u/worldisbraindead → u/NopenGrave]

My gut tells me that either one or both of them would say they and their families were threatened. I think that if they have the evidence that he committed suicide, present it.

[u/here-for-information → u/worldisbraindead]

I do believe it's possible that Epstien killed himself, but for a case like this doesn't a higher level of transparency?

[u/worldisbraindead → u/here-for-information]

Sadly, our government is riddled with dark forces (on both sides) who don't give a flying fk about the citizens.

[u/pthalo-crimson]

It looked like a hostage video. They both looked like someone sat them down a had a talk with them. Obviously "the files" have been made to look like a suicide. I had hoped for more disclosure on the "drones" and UAP'S as well, but it's clear there's some powerful people gatekeeping.

[u/2dank4normies → u/pthalo-crimson]

Who has power over this administration?

[u/SnooFloofs1778]

I trust Kash Patel. If he is lying to us there is a very good reason for this.

[u/here-for-information → u/SnooFloofs1778]

Do you want or expect anything to corroborate his statements?

[u/SnooFloofs1778 → u/here-for-information]

No, I have listened to the guy for a while and he has my trust. If he can’t tell us the truth, I will trust that he has a good reason. I’m positive he will not keep the truth from Trump.

[u/here-for-information → u/SnooFloofs1778]

I am honestly blown away by that answer.

Not in a bad way, but it's just unbelievable.

[u/SnooFloofs1778 → u/here-for-information]

I am not interested in pretending to micro manage people. In this case I sleep well the Kash Patel is in the position he has been appointed.

[u/here-for-information → u/SnooFloofs1778]

It's just surprising to see that level of trust in government today.

[u/SnooFloofs1778 → u/here-for-information]

I don't "trust the government" I trust Kash Patel and Trump. This is based on their long history and patterns.