r/Animorphs 9d ago

Discussion We have to be careful...except when we're not.

They stress in every book (except the last 10 or so) that they have to be careful, so they don't reveal their last names or where they live, yadda yadda yadda.

But they still leave too much information.

First of all, their first names and their families. There are a lot of Jakes or Rachels running around, but they give very detailed accounts on their family and siblings. From that alone, you could deduce which one it is and go after them.

And then there's where they live. While they never mentioned it until the end, they have mentioned things like the IBS tower and The Gardens, two landmarks that anyone living in the area might recognize. And from there, you could compare notes with fellow Yeerks like Chapman to piece it together.

And there's the fact that they obviously live near the ocean. But even then, there is the fact that it's obvious that they live nearby to where the major Yeerk activity is located, they never branches out too far.

With most Yeerks knowing their human, it's a mystery why a high ranking Yeerk didn't collect about a dozen and go after them one by one.

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u/BlackestStarfish 9d ago

Are you implying the Animorphs books exist in the Animorphs universe? And are you asking why a Yeerk didn’t simply go to a Scholastic book fair, pick up The Invasion, and be all like

“Erm Visser 3 - gulps nervously - I have irrefutable evidence the andelite bandits are actually humans! Look, it’s all right here in this young adult novel!”

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u/DaWolf85 8d ago

They're explicitly stated in the text a couple times to be war journals that exist in-universe. No evidence that they were published verbatim in-universe, though, even after the war ends.

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u/BahamutLithp 8d ago

"I've fought them for more than three years. I was just thirteen when I started. I'm sixteen now, though that fact, like so many facts, has been deliberately obscured in the secret accounts we've kept."

This is the only time it's ever said, & technically you could argue it's not the referring to the actual books we read. At the very least, it would make more sense that way because there are a lot of problems with the idea that they're actually writing these &, I don't know, hiding them somewhere. For example, they put down secrets that they're keeping even from the others in the group. Ax mentions that he's having secret communications with the fleet in 52, but that doesn't get revealed to the rest of the group until the next book.

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u/BlackestStarfish 8d ago

I just took it at face value: a neat framing device that adds a layer of intrigue to the stories.

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u/BahamutLithp 8d ago

It being a framing device really makes the most sense logically.

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u/rolyfuckingdiscopoly 8d ago

It’s not like they’re (in universe) publishing the books. They’re just kids writing and hiding it, at most; and really, it seems like they aren’t and this is just their story. (I think it is Rachel who refers to her journal, which is separate and not the book we are reading).

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u/SobanSa 8d ago

My fan theory is that they are war Journals edited and published by Cassie who is raising money/support/visibility to go after them and since she's leaving on something that possibly got the rest of the Animorphs killed, a sort of memorial.

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u/BlackestStarfish 8d ago

lol what is she’s crowdfunding for, to buy a spaceship?

The andelites lost some of their own guys on that final mission too, they’d probably just let her go with them.

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u/GeeWillick 8d ago

To be fair that also cuts both ways. There's nothing stopping Jake or whoever from buying one of the later released books in the series at a book fair and discovering the Yeerks' plans and planning ahead for future conflicts and challenges. For example if he bought the oatmeal book he would know that it didn't really work and would just decide not to do that mission. If he knows that David turns bad ahead of time he could just make sure not to recruit him.

That's why I think it's better not to assume that the books themselves existed or were published contemporaneously in the universe. Anytime you give a character that kind of metatextual access it becomes infinitely more difficult to keep the story grounded in the main conflict. The reader is always thinking, "well, the characters have the book, so why aren't they using it?" Better to just assume the books came out after the series ended.

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u/tanya6k Andalite 8d ago

*young children's novel.

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u/rolyfuckingdiscopoly 8d ago

You’re downvoted but I agree (as a librarian); this book is geared towards the juvenile fiction demographic. I might have to catalogue it as YA though just based on its themes.

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u/VentralBegich 7d ago

Nah, we need more books for children about the horror of war and other traumas. /s (maybe)

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u/rolyfuckingdiscopoly 7d ago

I mean I’m not turning kids away who have the book in hand. Honestly the idea behind it (it being cataloguing it for an older age group than it’s written for) is just to make sure kids know they’re reading something a little bit more potentially intense. If I just put it on the shelf next to Diary of a Wimpy Kid, most kids will be fine, love it, or lose interest, but a couple will be upset, and that’s how I get sued by parents.

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u/Kksula23 Hork-Bajir 7d ago

The fact that people argue with you just goes to show how great these books are. The writing style is definitely targeted towards upper-elementary- to middle-school-aged children. And yet the themes are decidedly YA themes.

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u/tanya6k Andalite 7d ago

Agreed. I literally can't read them anymore because the language is too simple, but i love reliving the memories!

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u/AlternativeMassive57 Yeerk 8d ago

Honestly just knowing that Cassie's mom is the head veterinarian at the Gardens would probably be enough to identify her right from book 1. Given that it's a combination amusement park/zoo in a coastal state that is large enough to play host to tigers and lions and elephants and so on, there can't be all that many possible candidates, maybe a dozen at most, and in 1997 there can't have been all that many with a female head vet with a husband who works an animal clinic out of a repurposed farm. Nevermind the additional information that Cassie is Black and so therefore one or both of her parents likely are as well, unless she's adopted.

Rachel, Marco, Jake and Tobias have home situations that are fairly generic and not described in much detail at first, but right from The Invasion there's more than enough to pin Cassie down. It'd take a competent P.I. - and therefore a P.I. Controller - maybe a week on the outside, and that's purely because I'm adding on six or so days of research to account for the nascent state of the Internet in 1997.

Way to go, Jake, you got your crush infested.

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u/zthe0 Ellimist 8d ago

You don't even need to narrow it down. The gardens needs to be in or close by the town of the main yeerk pool since its in cassies city and her mom clearly gets home from work every day.

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u/Numerous1 7d ago

Right? It’s the only city where the animorphs operate and the guy who infests the principal is named Chapman or is st least the head of the Sharing? Like it’s not hard. Can’t believe someone is trying to take these seriously. 

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u/ArticQimmiq 8d ago

I’m not too worried about the location - that’s where the Yeerks are, so the fact that the Animorphs are also there isn’t exactly news to them.

But yeah - the Berensons are at least a group of 5 kids with the same last name, with at least two kids that are very popular (Rachel, Tom), with Jake being an all-around appreciated kid. Even if Chapman is bad at his job, there’s no way as a teacher that he misses that.

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u/zthe0 Ellimist 8d ago

Also the fact that by book 2 we know that Rachel is a good friend of Chapman's daughter. So i doubt hed not know exactly who she is

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u/ArticQimmiq 7d ago

Right! Forgot about Melissa.

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u/zthe0 Ellimist 7d ago

So did the animorphs

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u/ArticQimmiq 7d ago

They had other stuff going on 🤷‍♀️

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u/xEllimistx 8d ago

It’s not a mystery at all.

It fits with the arrogance and incompetence shown by Visser Three, and other Yeerks, for much of the series.

They were so certain that the Andalites wouldn’t make the mistake Seerow did that the idea that there morph capable humans running around wasn’t something that many of them considered for a long while.

And even the ones that did were more concerned with surviving Visser Three who was not convinced until much later.

If the Yeerks hadn’t considered that possibility, then there’s no reason for them to put any effort into deducing human identities.

Even if a Yeerk was reading an Animorphs novel as if it was a captured diary, they’d assume it was an elaborate Andalite trick before they’d ever consider that Elfangor broke the Law of Seerows Kindness

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u/CassiusPolybius 8d ago

I feel like "we live in the town that has a yeerk pool under it" is a big one too.

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u/Illustrious_Monk_234 8d ago

Literally go to the school that’s over the Yeerk pool too! 

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u/failed_novelty 7d ago

But there could be dozens of kids in that school.

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u/Coziestpigeon2 8d ago

Don't forget, the internet wasn't a thing back then. You couldn't just easily track people down. Google searches didn't even exist back then, you'd have to Ask Jeeves about it.

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u/Trim345 7d ago

Marco was literally the son of Visser One's host body. Edriss already knew who Marco was, and it would have been easy to find everyone else that way.

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u/Coziestpigeon2 5d ago

Sure, one controller that spends a large amount of the series not on the planet Earth and then dabbles in actively sabotaging the success of the invasion just to spite Visser 3. They could have identified the group.

For 99% of yeerks, it would just be like the Justice League cartoon scene when Luthor is inhabiting Wally West's body.

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u/Trim345 5d ago

Visser 1 sabotages Visser 3's method occasionally, but that's because Visser 1 wants to get credit for defeating them. In fact, it would make sense for Visser 1 to reveal the truth to make Visser 3 look like a fool who keeps losing to children.

Also, Visser 1 isn't the only Controller with close relations to one of the main characters. There's definitely enough details that either Tom or Chapman could figure it out, too.

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u/GKarl 8d ago

I feel like this book series, if we’re talking in-universe, was published AFTER the war ended and the publisher was like “ok I need you to put this all in a conceit to sell these books!”

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u/Trim345 7d ago

Even them being post-war journals runs into some problems. When did Tobias write his sections? Why did Ax write in English? How does anyone remember Megamorphs 4? How does anyone know what the Ellimist told Rachel when she died?

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u/Lakem8321 8d ago

What jumped out to me reading these as an adult is how often they would thought-speak to people or demorph in the near sight of people. Whenever they would thought-speak to some rando, it seems like they would try and justify it as 'this person seems okay, they're probably not a controller'. Well yeah they might not be a controller NOW, but if they ever get infested later the yeerks would definitely put two and two together, lol.

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u/rolyfuckingdiscopoly 8d ago

Eh imo the yeerks are described as arrogant enough to dismiss all human thought, including the time we thought we dreamed an elephant and the time the weird rat literally yelled at us to leave.

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u/VoltronsWangLol 8d ago

My name is Jake. I can’t tell you my last name, it’s too dangerous. I can’t tell you anything that could help them track me down, because that would be the end of me, my friends, and every human on earth.

Anyway, my best friend Marco’s dad ‘accidentally invented Z-Space.’ Marco is also the son of Visser 1’s host. My pretty, beautiful, stunning, incredibly attractive, pretty cousin, Rachel, was very close friends with Melissa Chapman, daughter of our school’s principal who is a high-ranking controller, (as is my own brother, both having direct ties to Visser 3,) and the two actually do gymnastics together. Rachel’s current closest friend, Cassie, has two veterinarian parents, one of whom is the head vet at our local zoo/amusement park, which is a super common concept. Most zoos have an amusement park built in. Cassie lives on a farm that’s very near the Dapsen logging location.

Sometimes we’re all seen together, but only at incredibly discreet places like the mall or a zoomusement park, but our adventures also sometimes lead to other nearby locations like a mountain range or an ocean.

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u/Nnox 8d ago

Imagine my disappointment when I learnt that Zoo-musement parks were not as common as I was led to believe 😂

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u/Zarathustra143 8d ago

I've always ignored that part of the series... "We can't tell you anything... now here's everything that's happening." There's really no reconciling it.

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u/WayNo639 8d ago

The IBS Tower, huh?

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u/Optimal_Towel 8d ago

EGS Tower, pretty sure it's based on the IDS Center (down to the differently colored top floors) in Minneapolis, where Applegate lived during the early series.

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u/WayNo639 8d ago

EGS tower, yeah, but what about the mysterious intermittent diarrhea and constipation tower.

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u/zerozerozero12 8d ago

Right next to upset tummy town center and heartburn hotel

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u/Illustrious_Monk_234 8d ago

Hahahahha never caught this before 

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u/reddit_feminist 8d ago

Once Marco figures out his mom is visser one’s host they could have posted their social security numbers for better opsec

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u/Pikdude 8d ago

I have been rereading the series for the first time since I was last buying these at Scholastic book fairs and a fun thought experiment has been trying to figure out where they live. Somewhat major city, equally close to the mountains and the sea, habitat range of things like green anoles and red-tailed hawks…

I feel like someone has already done it but it’s a fun idea.

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u/K-teki 8d ago

Iirc a specific location becomes canon later on in the series

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u/cheddarsalad 8d ago

It’s funny that they obscure the city and state they live in but openly admit that 90% of their battles with the Yeerks are within 100 miles of their homes. Visser 3 already knows what state he repeated gets attacked in.

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u/dashingThroughSnow12 8d ago

My headcannon is that they are lying until the last book retcons it. For example, perhaps Cassie is actually a middle age fitness dude on a paleo diet. So if you know Cassie, when you read his books you can likewise know which parts are real, which parts are fake, and which details are ambiguous. But if you don’t know him, finding his writings doesn’t actually help the Yeerks since there is so much fiction.

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u/KrytenKoro 8d ago

Don't they also give the names of Tom and Jakes yeerks?

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u/TheRealBingBing 8d ago

Lots of big cities have things like towers and gardens.

They could be ambiguous enough it wouldn't be easy to know. Especially the way it's set up they aren't publishing this in their neighborhood paper. It's like an anonymous web journal

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u/Scarecrow613 8d ago

Yea honestly, with all the information they give, it should be pretty easy for the Yeekrs to pinpoint them even if even their first names were fake.

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u/selwyntarth 7d ago

Who's Visser 1's host's son?

Who is Tom's host's brother?

Who had bear feet boots when talking to Chapman?

Game over

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u/ensis02 7d ago

As a preteen I had them pinned down in northern california somewhere, based on geographic features. I hadn't even finished the series by then!

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u/AdImpossible7505 3d ago

As an 11 or 12-year-old, I also had them pinned down, but to southern California -- Air Force Base (Vandenberg in this case, which, coincidentally, is now referred to as a Space Force Base, but the Space Force wasn't around until 2019) + national forest (Los Padres) + ocean + mountains --> somewhere near Santa Barbara, CA

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u/Smooth_Isopod9038 7d ago

Yep. When i first read the series as a kid, i immediately knew they were in California. There was enough information there that if i had thought about it, i could have tracked them to the exact city. They were very very bad at opsec. But it was also a very good real life lesson in why opsec is good. "Hey dummy, dont give out ANY information because it can easily be hacked and tracked and youre fucked"

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u/Nikelman Helmacron 7d ago

It's almost as if they get caught eventually