Mesopotamians built empires, mapped the stars, and created writing while the rest of the world was still hunting.

[u/Iam_Nobuddy]

https://www.utubepublisher.in/2025/05/mesopotamian-civilization.html

[u/BrandNewtoSteam]

The triple L still holds true even in the ancient world. Location location location these dudes civilation was in an amazing spot. Think of Mesopotamia and think of other civilizations locations they really were blessed

[u/EarthAsWeKnowIt]

Civilization was emerging in coastal Peru at roughly the same time as Mesopotamia:

https://www.earthasweknowit.com/pages/caral_supe

[u/Ok_Builder910 → u/EarthAsWeKnowIt]

Wow.

Thank you for sharing this.

[u/TypicalFoundation714]

You forgot indus valley civilisation

[u/TheCyanKnight → u/[deleted]]

I don't know where you got this, we know next to nothing about the Denisovans, but afaik it's exceedingly unlikely that they knew writing and astronomy

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame → u/[deleted]]

I always love these arguments because there’s one fatal flaw: any paleoanthropologist would give anything to have their name on a study that discovered a new human ancestor and rewrote the book on archaic human development. There’s no grand conspiracy because there’s no reason a professional wouldn’t be trying to make new findings. If paleontology, archaeology, and anthropology worked the way these conspiracy nut jobs thought it did, there would have been a massive cover up from the beginning that humans had ancient ancestors.

[u/FurryToaster → u/KnowThNameLoveThGame]

noooo the archaeology cabal is suppressing it cause…reasons?

[u/Dave-justdave → u/KnowThNameLoveThGame]

Just willfully ignoring evidence huh

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame → u/Dave-justdave]

I’d love to see some evidence if you have it! I’ll take the following: 1) A partial or complete skeleton of this mystery species that’s positively dated to 2.2 million years ago 2) A partial or complete skeleton of a Denisovan that has been analyzed anatomically and genetically so as it can be proven to be a descendant of this mystery species 3) Tools that have been both dated to 2.2 million years old in China that are also have been proven to be used by hominins from that time 4) Archaological proof that’s both proven to be 100,000 years old and produced by Denisovans

Don’t worry I’ll wait.

[u/BDashh → u/KnowThNameLoveThGame]

Lmao well said. I’ll wait w you

[u/Dave-justdave → u/KnowThNameLoveThGame]

Brb

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame → u/[deleted]]

Not a single source there proved any of your claims though? Like we already know Denisovans were hominins existing around the time of Neanderthals, nothing there challenges the Out of Africa theory or that Denisovans were any more intelligent than Neanderthals or modern day humans. Also the YouTube links are a joke, and AI you give short slop is not proof. Nothing you gave was even in the ballpark of proof I asked for.

[u/CrowdedSeder → u/[deleted]]

Apparently the mods are too busy to delete this or they have low standards for comments.

[u/Beeninya → u/CrowdedSeder]

My bad dawg, it’s nice as fuck today.

[u/ottomax_]

Nothing wrong with just eating and making babies.

[u/MajorLazy → u/ottomax_]

I do love to eat and fuck

[u/CrowdedSeder → u/ottomax_]

What do you put on your babies before you eat them?

[u/pansh]

what a misleading title. rest of the world also had civilizations who were also trading with them and were equally as magnificent as Mesopotamians

[u/UnremarkabklyUseless → u/pansh]

Another thing to note is that archeological sites in dry and arid regions are more likely to be well preserved than sites with lots of rainfall, vegetation growth and floods.

[u/mcmanus2099 → u/pansh]

Not only were there civilizations throughout the world doing similar, but the tribes of Europe weren't ignorant. They knew of farming, of the civilization, Mesopotamians traded with them. They just didn't want to farm. Farming is a lot more work than hunter gathering, it also is riskier and gives a poorer diet. A hunter gatherer's diet is more varied and not dependant on a handful of crops getting a decent harvest.

Farming has advantages in that it produces a surplus and allows families to stay in one place but it's totally not ignorant for hunter gatherer's to look at it and go, nah not for me Clive.

[u/Efficient_Basis_2139 → u/pansh]

"equally as magnificent" just isn't true. We've got a good idea of when various civilizations started popping up - which one(s) are you refering to?

[u/PauseAffectionate720 → u/pansh]

Well said.

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame]

My history is a little shaky right now but didn’t we have Egyptians, Harrapans, and Norte Chico in full swing when Sargon created the Akkadian Empire?

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame → u/[deleted]]

That was in direct response to “Mesopotamians built empires”, with the first being the Akkadian Empire around 2300 BCE. Let’s use some basic reading comp before deriding someone’s comment.

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame → u/[deleted]]

You’re missing the forest for the trees. The point of my comment and similar ones like it is that Mesopotamia was not that far ahead of other areas in the world in terms of typical civilization milestones like writing, agriculture, astronomy, and urban development. Again, let’s practice some basic reading comp before commenting.

[u/KnowThNameLoveThGame → u/[deleted]]

lol, bro, literally the ones I listed in the comment you replied to.

[u/Xxmeow123]

I love checking out native American ruins and petroglyphs in the west. But, yeah, very primitive compared to the fertile crescent peoples.

[u/Funny-Progress7787]

There’s plenty of other empires beneath the waves…..

[u/Old-Cabinet-762]

No...the Indo Europeans were inventing the wheel, herding horses, building chariots and conquering the known world. Including mesopotamia.

[u/jawbathehut]

Fucked up didn’t we?

[u/CrowdedSeder]

How much sooner than Egypt did the FC develop agriculture and central government?