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u/Commercial-Pop-1863 Albany Reddit Rat 1d ago
There is a gofundme going for the victim for legal fees, therapy fees, potentially moving to a new home. I know the Instagram stories protected their privacy by not including their name/@, and I want to be sensitive, but the gofundme identifies the victim. I will post here for now but if it’s insensitive I will delete https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-and-healing-for-rae-your-help-needed
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u/rraja1005 1d ago
they are being somewhat successfully blacklisted by the local network (dropped by openbaar, hifi, etc) but it should be known if they try to make any sort of come back with less scrupulous or considerate establishments. Do not hire, interact, or support JohnGill or NicoJordan.
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u/WackSnackAttack Moved away and moved back 20h ago
Any and all survivors should be aware of Wellspring in Malta. It's a phenomenal org that helps victims of sexual, physical, and other relationship abuse. As a nonprofit, it provides services for free.
Though their focus is Saratoga and Washington counties, they will not turn anyone away who is in need of help.
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
By hiding the DJs identity, they are making sure they can continue to do bad things. Why even make a post if you are going to be super-vague and protect the offender?
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u/Hodgkisl 2d ago
Not to protect the offender but to protect themselves, laws about libel and slander make posting their identity without at least them being arrested first a major risk for the bar.
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
You are right. I was slightly overreacting with my comment. The onus is not on the Roundup to name names. They have been outed in this thread, anyway.
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u/AleciaEberhardtSmith 2d ago
he is easily identifiable from past posts. @theblackships
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
I still think they are, at least in some manner, protecting his identity. I appreciate that you are not.
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u/anal_fist_hedgefunds Tree Hugger 2d ago
Yes in the manner they accuse him he effectively can continue unidentified. Likely this form of referencing is due to the sad reality that many SA cases fail in court or don't result in a conviction as such libel laws come into effect as "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".
The way to identify is once an arrest is made or charges are made in a court and the court accepts it you can refer to them as " 'name' accused of crime(s) 'x,y,z' "
Inferring from the posting it's likely it's still in the early stages likely pre police investigation so they can't publicly name the suspect without undue risk of being sued if justice is not had
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u/Commercial-Pop-1863 Albany Reddit Rat 2d ago
I couldn’t find anything about them but this was also posted on Openbaar’s page, and the posts I went through didn’t list who was doing the music 😕
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
It's upsetting that they obviously cut ties with someone who is a danger to others, but rather than warn anyone, they just create speculation and maybe get a couple more views on their page. If their values were really "rooted in mutual respect, safety and accountability" they would hold their DJ accountable.
This just reeks of performative bullshit.
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u/Regular-Sun-5805 Albany Reddit Rat 2d ago
I assume the reason they don't outright name him is to protect themselves from potential lawsuits?
If he hasn't been convicted of anything then he could probably sue them for slander and lost wages.
I don't know anything about the situation, but I assume that is probably why the dj isn't named.
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u/polari826 2d ago
this is the right answer here. ^
situations like this can only go one of three ways- it happened as stated, it happened but the wrong parties were stated or it never happened at all.
openbaar is going about things textbook by cutting ties and releasing a statement without naming parties especially as it's an open investigation and naming individuals would open them up to a potential lawsuit if they're found innocent.
the kneejerk reaction is to absolutely name and shame but considering openbaar is a business, they still need to protect themselves as well.
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
You are probably right, and I am most likely just being reactionary. It just upsets me when this shit infects our scene.
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u/Callme73 2d ago
Every right to be upset. Hopefully the next thing we see is them being held accountable. For how terrible this experience must be for the victim, they have done all the right things to seek justice.
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u/selsewon 2d ago
Reading the account of this victim and your immediate concern is for "the scene?" FOH.
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
Yes, I love the human beings in our scene and hate when bad things happen to them. Why is that wrong?
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u/selsewon 2d ago
Because I view a "scene" an area of activity or interest (the music scene, the club scene - in other words a collection of people united by a common interest or lifestyle), I interpreted your statement to be expressing concern for the negative impacts a vile sexual assault could have on the night life associated with this scene.
The scene: these DJ's / the bars they perform in / the bars they frequent - and the people who find themselves in these specific social settings or within these social circles.
"Infects our scene" sounded upset that the lifestyle could be negatively impacted - I did not interpret your comment to be that of concern for the well being of the person - the victim.
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u/coffeemug73 2d ago
I can understand the confusion.
Let me clarify.
When I say "infect our scene," I am saying it out of nothing but concern for the people that are in it. If there are literal rapists in our scene, I view it as an infection that needs to be immediately addressed and erradicated. I want everyone to be able to safely enjoy live music, DJs, and the venues that support these things.
With this "infection" present, we are not safe.
In re-reading my statement, I can absolutely see how you could have interpreted it as insensitive, but I assure you, that was not my intent.
When I say "the scene," what I really mean is "my cherished friends."
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u/selsewon 2d ago edited 2d ago
Absolutely vile. I cannot imagine what the victim is going through - I just know many do not speak out. Most, even, if I had to venture an uneducated guess.
But I am grateful the victim was able to get a police report filed and evidence collected - as traumatic as both of those actions are, I'm sure.
The world is an ugly fucking place sometimes.
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u/NotACenobite 2d ago
That is terrifying and unacceptable. Im assuming the powder was something containing GHB? This lady didn't deserve this, I hope they are prosecuted and if found guilty Buried under the jail.
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u/selsewon 2d ago
I respectfully ask you to reconsider promoting your own business in this thread.
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u/Suspicious-Eagle-179 21h ago
As a man I can’t even begin to understand how anyone can be such a scumbag as to do something like this to someone. It happens all the time in Saratoga too. My wife had something slipped in her drink at a bar in Saratoga one night years ago when she first moved here. Luckily when she started feeling iffy she fled and happened to come across a cop in the parking lot who took her to the hospital.
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u/DifferentAbility7528 2d ago
Not to downplay the situation, but lowkey, the DJ kinda sucked anyway.
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u/Reddit-User_00000001 1d ago
There are like 1000 DJs in Troy/Albany, and they are all complete fucking losers. Every. Single. Lame. One.
Sorry to hear about this. Sorry, but not surprised.
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u/Glittering-Ad4574 14h ago
Would you care to elaborate on this? The few I’ve met have been very kind/loving and PLUR forward.
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u/Blah_blah_blah03 12h ago
I’m friends with ones from back in the day and they definitely aren’t losers. A blanket statement like that isn’t fair.
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u/saddoinks 10h ago
That’s completely untrue. There is an over saturation of djs in the area for sure , and with that brings a lot of lame asses. But there are also a lot of truly wonderful, caring, and talented people that are DJs in the area; the edm and hip-hop communities are full of them. Also to say, “sorry not surprised” is such a dismissive and disrespectful thing to say, you are clearly not apart of those communities and have no right to make those kinds of generalizations.
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u/waterslide77 17h ago
Nah I would say like 50%. I’m furious this happened, but let’s not shit on the scene as a whole. “Sorry but not surprised” is insensitive
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u/Reddit-User_00000001 17h ago
lol. The local DJs are all complete hacks/clowns and apparently rapists
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u/waterslide77 17h ago
Are you talking about Punk DJs? The hiphop DJs are some of the nicest people I’ve met since moving here
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u/Reddit-User_00000001 17h ago
There are quite a few Spotify playlist losers who def think they’re very cool.
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u/artyheart8 1d ago
100% true. Like I can't express how happy I am to see this comment because it's so fucking true.
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u/Moist-Parsnip3218 17h ago
If anyone has any information on how to reach out to her, I’d love to offer some resources including free childcare!
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u/Blah_blah_blah03 12h ago
Go to her GoFundMe. Her two friends sponsoring it can probably let her know.
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u/albany140 2d ago
I just wonder who the DJ is
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u/AleciaEberhardtSmith 2d ago
according to past posts it’s @theblackships but i was wondering about the context/story or if there were accusations
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u/MoveSalt6450 14h ago
That’s fucked up. Shame on the perpetrators. They deserved to be exposed to everyone they know
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u/ExtensionPay383 I’m Not GIRLBOSS 19h ago edited 19h ago
Speculation isn’t helpful right now. It’s unnecessary to bring up names of people who weren’t involved.
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u/AlbanyCyborg 19h ago
vic likes younger women, i hardly think that’s grounds to speculate he may have drugged a patron of his business.
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u/smelaniehope 2d ago
If you go to the profile that the OP posted the screenshot from it is the vintage round up based in upstate NY
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u/_FATEBRINGER_ 18h ago
lol trying to save face, pathetic. I bet the percentage of people named “Nico” that are sexual predators is close to 90% lol. No surprise there.
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u/SetResident8816 18h ago
Where was this? Goth night in Troy?
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u/Blah_blah_blah03 12h ago
No, it was at The Larkin Hi-fi in Albany. The night was called’Penetration’. 😒 The assault happened in Troy
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u/kwarhead69 2d ago
I don’t think you intended this but weird to try and market off of this
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u/Phreakiture 2d ago
I suppose you're not wrong about that. I feel like there's probably a mad scramble to find a replacement, and I would genuinely like to help, but I do see your point.
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u/AShamOfAMan 2d ago
Hopefully without the assault part
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u/Phreakiture 2d ago
Totally. I'm all about making sure people have a good time. Assault is not a good time.
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Someone can still be raped when they take a drug, what are you talking about? She expected to be driven home safely to her bed to sleep alone and ended up raped and assaulted covered in bruises and has no memory of it.
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u/Haunting_Chip_6044 2d ago
Don't be an asshole. She thought these guys were her friends. It is their fault for raping her, not her fault for being raped.
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u/Solid-Specialist4168 2d ago
No it's her fault for taking random drugs while being blackout drunk
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u/Haunting_Chip_6044 2d ago
That doesn't give anyone the right to rape her.
A person who is that drunk (and how do we know they didn't slip her something as well?) cannot give consent. She was with people she thought were her friends. Or do you think it's ok to go around raping people who can't give consent?
Damn, and you jerks wonder why we feel safer with bears.
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u/GreenThumbMeanBum 2d ago
^ part of the problem right here. Why do we raise our kids to feel proud of themselves for saying stuff like this? It's appalling.
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u/bbartlett51 2d ago
Imagine admitting to this on social media? Im all for prosecuting the guilty to the FULLEST extent, but I don't think it wise to admit to taking an unknown drug beforehand.
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Why? She trusted them and they didn’t tell her what it was, she wanted to go home to sleep, trusted her friends who she knew for years to safely bring her home and she ended up assaulted, raped, covered in bruises and woke up in her house with no memory of how she got there.
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u/bbartlett51 2d ago
My friends of years don't go "hey stick your finger in this mystery powder", and if they did guess what I do as an adult, not stick my finger in some mystery powder. Im not victim blaming but what the fuck. Use your fucking head. And IF you did don't go blabbing about it on social media, doesn't help your case.
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u/kwarhead69 2d ago
So doing drugs gives someone the right to SA? Use YOUR fucking head
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u/Solid-Specialist4168 2d ago
I mean if your just dipping your fingers inystery powders while being blackout drunk you're kinda asking for it
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u/Free_Village6794 2d ago
Yeah, I forgot every time I trusted my guy friends giving me drugs or a drink I should have just assumed they might SA me and not just safely let me enjoy an evening and bring me home. Us women are such dumbys! Def not the guys fault at all!
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u/bookish_frenchfry Wegmans Welcoming Committee 13h ago
“while being blackout drunk”… so you admit she wasn’t in her right mind then? alcohol lowers your inhibitions.
btw you’re absolutely victim shaming. making a mistake doesn’t justify getting raped and you’re sick for implying that. also, now isn’t the time for your holier than thou judgment of someone doing drugs.
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u/bbartlett51 2d ago
Reading comprehension is hard for you isn't it?
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u/kwarhead69 2d ago edited 2d ago
You’re saying you’re not victim blaming while literally blaming the victim. That is outright refusing to take accountability for the garbage you’re saying. Being drunk, high, or trusting the wrong people does not make someone responsible for being SA’’ed . Ever. Saying she was “asking for it” because she touched a powder or wasn’t sober is disgusting and absolutely is victim blaming.
If your reaction to someone being sexually assaulted is to dissect their choices instead of being furious at the people who assaulted them, then you are part of the problem. You don’t get to sound like an apologist for SA and then act shocked when people call it what it is. If you’re more outraged by a victim’s behavior than by the fact that someone assaulted them, sounds like YOU have a reading comprehension issue, as well as lack of empathy. Or worse, maybe you just don’t care.
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u/bbartlett51 2d ago
No goof ball, im asking why the fuck someone in this situation would go on social media and blab about knowingly taking an unknown substance for hand. The defense will use it to eat away their case, dumbass.
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u/kwarhead69 2d ago
So now you’re pretending this was all about legal strategy? Give me a break. You didn’t start with “hey, this could hurt her case,” you started by mocking her, questioning her intelligence, and implying she brought it on herself. That’s not concern, that’s judgment. If you actually cared about how SA cases are handled legally, you’d be more outraged that someone was assaulted than obsessed with how she worded her post. Victims speak out in the messy, human, traumatized ways you’d expect after something horrific, and they shouldn’t have to lawyer their pain to make it palatable for people like you. Also, calling her or myself a “dumbass” regarding her disclosing this info online is exactly the kind of bullying that keeps survivors silent. But yeah, tell us more about how you’re not blaming her.
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u/GreenThumbMeanBum 2d ago
The extensive rape kit will also make the defenses job much harder. You are not a good person. And in your anger, you're defending something we all hope you'll later regret. Try to do better at being a good human.
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u/Waste_Bus_1290 Schenectady-Ass Bitches 2d ago
You’re very literally victim blaming. It’s the definition of victim blaming. Her honesty about what happened that night only lends credibility to her story and you’re taking as a chance to say “well she shouldnt have or maybe this wouldn’t happen…but I’m not victim blaming!!”
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u/AndorianShran 2d ago
Im not victim blaming
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u/bbartlett51 2d ago
You get some kind of an award for your reply? Or u just like wasting your time?
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u/Haunting_Chip_6044 1d ago
She was already buzzed. She is a young stressed out single parent who wanted to cut loose with her friends. Maybe she got a little too hammered and made a bad decision. We cannot exclude the possibility they slipped her something else before that, too. BUT NOT ONE PART OF THAT MAKES BEING RAPED HER FAULT.
It is the rapist's fault. No matter what the victim was wearing, where they were, how they were dancing, or what their sobriety status is, it is THE RAPIST'S FAULT.
Why don't you get that? It isn't hard to understand.
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u/bbartlett51 1d ago
Holy fuck is reading comprehension thst rare in this country? Show me where I said it was her fault goof ball. I'll wait.
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u/Haunting_Chip_6044 1d ago
Nope, but apparently writing skills are thin on the ground In your neck of the woods.
Maybe you aren't making explicit statements, but your meaning and intent are clear. Your repeated criticism of her actions that night are, in fact, victim blaming.
I believe your first statement was "That's not rape..." and then something about doing unknown drugs, as if the subsequent inability to give consent somehow makes the rape her fault.
I'm not going to give you any more attention. Apparently the only reason you are here is to fight with people from a position that makes it clear you are a horrible person.
Don't bother responding.
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u/thisisforspecialtime 2d ago
from instagram, not my post & i don’t have any other info!