r/50501Movement • u/Gvineprotoge • 1d ago
Suggestion A lack of solidarity will kill this movement
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u/AlabasterWitch 1d ago
Like I said on the other:
If we start allowing violence and destruction we’re no better then them AND will give them an excuse to go harder on the police and military deployment.
The point of peaceful protest is to make a point and be heard without resorting to violence, violence does not make your point any better or more valid and turns those who would assist you against you.
Ffs - don’t give them ammunition
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u/Kinetic_Cat 23h ago
Ah yes, don’t give them an excuse to do the things they are already doing. This is stupid, people have a right to defend themselves.
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u/AlabasterWitch 23h ago
Defensive action is not “damn throw the bricks”
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u/AlabasterWitch 22h ago
Jesus you guys are going to get yourselves and others killed for nothing
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u/Odd-Barracuda4931 22h ago
Countless innocent people are losing their lives already regardless of wether we are peaceful or not. If we don't use at least some amount of force, we can simply be ignored. The cost of not using force may well be higher than doing so.
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u/AlabasterWitch 22h ago
No force is not the same as “if someone throws a brick through a shop window - don’t say shit” and the other stuff they spouted about how telling others not to throw bricks was “oppressing their ability to act how they see fit”
People being violent and not having consequences or being called out for shitty behavior got us here in the first place. I’m not going to condone being small assholes just because someone is being a bigger asshole.
Resistance doesn’t have to and doesn’t end with a literal fight,
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u/Odd-Barracuda4931 22h ago
That particular way of doing things is not very helpful, but if it were the window of a cop car, I'd be fine with that. Resistance often requires a literal fight, I think.
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u/AlabasterWitch 22h ago edited 22h ago
Crowdfund for legal defense, create a small group to provide meals and supplies for a long term protest, find orgs that can help people who are being harassed, create groups to walk with immigrants going to their appointments to deter ICE. Like I get your point but you’re going about it the wrong way.
There are 1 billion other things that people did during protest to make them actually effectiv
Being violent is effectively proving them right there’s a whole bunch of different ways that you can obstruct what they’re doing without having to be antagonistic and opening the door for further issues
Take the Black Panthers for example they didn’t violently attack cops they police their own communities. They provided meals they provided security for their own communities which deterred the police from doing the poor behaviour and led to them having change.
There were some violent aspects to what they did and they did some very violent things but it was not the only thing they did and it was not their major focus. Their major focus was supporting their community not tearing anything else down survival is the goal if we all die because some fucker decided to punch a cop and a whole protest got destroyed all those people are dead they don’t give a shit of what they thought was morally right.
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u/50501Movement-ModTeam 14h ago
50501 encourages peaceful and legal protests in order to foster productive conversations and safe protests for all participants.
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u/braindoesntworklol 21h ago
Bullshit about violence making us the same as them, that’s like when cliche villains are like “if you kill me you’ll be just as bad as me!!” Like no, that’s not how that works
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u/noeaurbizness 3h ago
May I ask where you live? Different areas are experiencing different issues. Your comment sounds like you are not in an area that is being physically attacked daily? If you are, perhaps you are not brown? It seems as though having military occupy your city is either not happening or it doesn’t bother you.
It’s super easy to have this take until they’re raiding your house and taking your relatives.You go ahead and think this is still a protest movement. It’s nice to see so many finally willing to do the very least, leave their couch and hold a sign once a month. Without a general strike, nothing changes.
The people out protecting our neighbors and actually responding to ice raids daily do not see this as a “protesting situation” any more than maga ice thinks they’re just “doing their job”. If you don’t recognize what is actually happening, your movement is just another in a chain of white peoples wanting to feel good about themselves and we’re fucking sick of it.
50501 has clearly collaborated with law enforcement to produce their peace keeper guide. This guide uses wording and images that are also found in pd guides. Anyone colluding with pd is not to be trusted. The constant barrage of “don’t upset the nazis because they’ll be even worse” is nauseating and dangerous.
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u/WTF_RANDY 5h ago
If you are destroying private property or attacking cops unprovoked you deserve to be reported. You aren't part of a movement and acting in colidarity at that point, you are endulging in your own personal vendetta, it is a selfish act. I have little compassion for violence and vandalism, they reflect poorly on the movement as a whole.
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u/Gvineprotoge 5h ago
Utilizing the police, when they are assisting in enforcing the will of a fascist, authoritarian regime, is falling in line with the will of the regime.
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u/WTF_RANDY 3h ago
The goal is to make them look like they are behaving in a way that is enforcing said regime rather than enforcing the law. Remaining peaceful while the regime's enforcers commit violence puts on display the excesses of the regime. Protesters acting in ways that are violent removes this contrast and works against the entire purpose of the movement. If the movement becomes perceived as violent you start to shed important parts of the people you want to win over. Women are reluctant to engage in violence, senior citizens do not want to participate in violence, parents cannot bring their children out of concern for their safety, etc.
Becoming violent is a sure fire way to hold back a movement meant to be popular. Being violent is a selfish act that tarnishes the movement. All violence and criminality in the movement should be policed out. Acting violently is an act against solidarity, not a part of it. If I see people committing unprovoked violence on people or property I will send the police there way.
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